Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Hedera]

Heres my NN! Not tame at all and is quite agressive but i love him/her.

Face shot!

With his/her "mama". They are starting to seperate though

Also if anyone could tell me what gender you think she/he is tha would be great

 

[Kev]

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I agree, both birds are very beautiful! The cross one looks pullet-ish but do see what you mean by those darker feathers coming out by tail... pretty often, a different color coming up on saddles, wing bow and hackles of white chicks means it's a boy. Separate the feathers on back to look for pin feathers, by this age boys will be starting to show very pointy and super shiny feathers coming out of the pin feathers. If you're seeing rounded, non shiny feathers coming out.. could be a tricky pullet!

OK a couple thoughts, if both are boys: Both are definite lavender carriers. Both will throw a variety of colors, but both will only throw 1/4 lavender chicks with the black NN hen. (with lil Kev you get 50% lav chicks).

Pro for the pure NN: he completely lacks a bow tie, which is uncommon.. from the related birds to your NN, get only one or 2 complete bare necks out of say, 10-15 chicks. Seems rather hard to get but anyways, you will get more of it, eventually from the black hen/Kev and this one. We do not know if the cross bird got "whatever it is" that causes total lack of bowties. Him being very sweet is a plus. All his chicks will be naked necked- but all crosses will have the larger bowties like on the cross bird. On the other hand, he will be spreading the no-bowtie gene(s)....

Pro for the cross: will throw more variety of colors with your various hens. Probably get a wider range of sizes from bantam thru 'large medium'. If he did not get the barring gene, won't get barred anything unless you have barred hens(in that case, all barreds would be boys. Pure NN will produce barreds in both sexes). Barring combined with different colors can produce wonderful looking birds- example barring on a partridge/wheaten/black breast red will look like crele- pretty flashy. Guessing it has dominant white, which represses black very well yet not so well on the browns/reds so if you have brown EE hens, should get some brown/gold/red with white patterning(similar to red pyle). Con: only half of the chicks will be NN (75% with the black NN hen).

Pretty much all I can think of at the moment.. Perhaps hatch another round of eggs from the black NN to get more lavender chicks and then replace lil Kev with either of the stunning specimens above if he doesn't improve his manners? This pairing is your best chance for lavenders- 50% as opposed to 25% with either one of the young boys. (and no lavs with other hens)

Good luck with deciding!

 

[catsew]

My question is do their necks always turn red? Is that a rooster thing only? Or is it just based on breed/traits, etc?

 

[BlackBrookPoultry]

Somebody take me home. I am an unwanted LF rooster.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

He's SO handsome! I'd take him in a second if you were in driving distance.
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[Knock Kneed Hen]

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I agree, both birds are very beautiful! The cross one looks pullet-ish but do see what you mean by those darker feathers coming out by tail... pretty often, a different color coming up on saddles, wing bow and hackles of white chicks means it's a boy. Separate the feathers on back to look for pin feathers, by this age boys will be starting to show very pointy and super shiny feathers coming out of the pin feathers. If you're seeing rounded, non shiny feathers coming out.. could be a tricky pullet!

OK a couple thoughts, if both are boys: Both are definite lavender carriers. Both will throw a variety of colors, but both will only throw 1/4 lavender chicks with the black NN hen. (with lil Kev you get 50% lav chicks).

Pro for the pure NN: he completely lacks a bow tie, which is uncommon.. from the related birds to your NN, get only one or 2 complete bare necks out of say, 10-15 chicks. Seems rather hard to get but anyways, you will get more of it, eventually from the black hen/Kev and this one. We do not know if the cross bird got "whatever it is" that causes total lack of bowties. Him being very sweet is a plus. All his chicks will be naked necked- but all crosses will have the larger bowties like on the cross bird. On the other hand, he will be spreading the no-bowtie gene(s)....

Pro for the cross: will throw more variety of colors with your various hens. Probably get a wider range of sizes from bantam thru 'large medium'. If he did not get the barring gene, won't get barred anything unless you have barred hens(in that case, all barreds would be boys. Pure NN will produce barreds in both sexes). Barring combined with different colors can produce wonderful looking birds- example barring on a partridge/wheaten/black breast red will look like crele- pretty flashy. Guessing it has dominant white, which represses black very well yet not so well on the browns/reds so if you have brown EE hens, should get some brown/gold/red with white patterning(similar to red pyle). Con: only half of the chicks will be NN (75% with the black NN hen).

Pretty much all I can think of at the moment.. Perhaps hatch another round of eggs from the black NN to get more lavender chicks and then replace lil Kev with either of the stunning specimens above if he doesn't improve his manners? This pairing is your best chance for lavenders- 50% as opposed to 25% with either one of the young boys. (and no lavs with other hens)

Good luck with deciding!

Thanks for all the great information! I was so thrilled to see my pure NN so naked. I like your plan.....now to find a place to put more chickens!

 

[Kev]

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The redness is due to a combination of testosterone and exposure to sunlight- it is the same thing as why faces/wattles/combs turn so red on all roosters. Roos with "cherry red" necks are very healthy, fertile and vigorous. They do have a "tan line" between the necks and body covered by feathers. Their body skin is normal, as long as they're covered with feathers so if one butchers, the carcass looks normal, except you can see there's a lot less 'goose bumps'. A lot of very smooth skin, especially on birds pure for the NN gene.

That said, there are occasionally NN roos that have half red half pink necks.. not sure why. The red is on upper necks with the lower neck being almost normal.

Hen's necks do get some color but not as much as on roos.

KKH- Glad to be of help. As for more chickens/places for them.. welcome to the fancy!

 

[catsew]

Do you know when they start to turn red then? My 5 week old is already starting to get some pink/red on his cheeks and he's not out in the direct sunlight very often. Does that mean he's a rooster?

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

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Hi! I think you got it.
It depends on the individual bird here. Some 'show' earlier than others.

Lisa

 

[flower]

I have two "bantam" NNs. One Sparky who is black with gold laced pointed feathers and attempted to crow a few times used to have red neck and head. Now they are pale pink. The other has red with black on tail and rounded type feathers and squatted for me once has a red head and pale pink neck. They are hatch mates and about five to six months old. Their head and neck colors have changed, Sparky who I think is male used to have a red head and neck and Ms. Rojo, who I think is female because of the feathering and behavior used to have pinker skin. So what I am thinking is that the birds change during the developmental period according to their hormone levels. Also I found an egg in the nest box today but I have a showgirl who occasionally lays (when not broody) but this egg seems larger than her egg. Who know ! But some one could confirm that the head and neck color do vary according to hormone levels. Except after the male is mature his probably stay red. ??????