Naked Neck/Turken Thread

Other then color at hatch or waiting to see if all their offspring are barred or not, if you don't know the parentage is there any way to know if they are pure for barring or not?

Sometimes you can tell even before the chick dries off, other times it's not easy. It depends on what "color" they are- the signs of barring are clearest and easiest to see on a black chicken. On black chicks, the white spot is much bigger and often irregularly shaped on pure barred boys vs smaller with more circular shaped on not pures.. but that's not a hard rule. For reasons I don't know, in some lines or breeds the difference is extremely obvious like on cuckoo marans- the pure males are grey colored with tons of white, some even have parallel stripes of white on back. Most barred rocks aren't that obvious, so you have to compare chicks in the same bloodline for best results.

It's just about impossible to see on wheaten based chicks- light cream down...

Pure barred roosters have visibly more white than not pure roosters, the white bars are wider and look 'whiter' as a result. Many not pure roosters have a few random solid black feathers on their body, this is much less common on pure barred boys.

There are some genes that can make a not pure barred rooster seem light as a pure, such as mottle, if they have really fast feather growth, the bars will be less perfect and "smudge" into the black making them look grey/white barred(which can look pretty light).

If you have female siblings to barred rooster in question, that can help. If he's much lighter then he might be pure barred but if he's as 'dark' as the hens, chances are very high he's not pure barred.

One other trait that sometimes helps- usually pure barred rooster have very clear yellow or white legs, hens and not pure barred boys have more speckling or coloring other than yellow/white- such as black flecks, or blue/green wash over the legs. The barring gene also prevents pigmentation in a layer of skin in the legs & has the same dose effect- that is why so many BR hens have speckly legs while roosters tend to have very clear legs.

Some other colors and patterns can interfere with barring, such as blue or red/buff. It's harder to get clear, distinct barring on these but then sometimes barring added to buff chickens can lighten the buff to a nice "golden" color...
 
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I think you should know, Kev, I 'channel' you when people ask me questions --- and I've learned enough from your posts to answer Q's about even birds I'm not familiar with.
It's a funny thing. Just wanted to tell you again how much I appreciate you taking the time to explain foundation 'genetics stuff' in a way that even I can grasp a little of it.
 
Thanks for the detailed answer kev. I think you already told me Shakespear isn't pure for barred which is great for me b/c I want variety he also has a big bow tie (and so not pure for NN), not that great, but definately something I can work around.
 
Anyone know what would a red turken roo with a buff orp chicken would look like? Also, red turken roo with black jersey gaint and buff bramha chickens would look like?
 
Anyone know what would a red turken roo with a buff orp chicken would look like? Also, red turken roo with black jersey gaint and buff bramha chickens would look like?
with BO equals a orange reddish color same with the BB.
with BJG mostly black with some red leakage.
These may or may not have naked necks.
 
Oh Gee Homeschoolchick Your post makes for a funny scene. You do now that every bird is different so if that silly male is weird humm well I would not be very worried. They are curious creatures.
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Yes, it is a funny scene ( or would be if I knew for sure he was fine and just weird) :) I called the state poultry vet, and he didn't know. He said he would research it and get back to me if he came across anything.

I was happy when BooBoo healed and the spots have stayed gone. Now something else to worry about :( I guess I should stop worrying all the time, since it seems like chickens will forever have something that could pop up. Hard not to fret though. I am not this worried when it comes to my children....I guess it is because they can tell me when something is wrong.
 
Here's a few more pics of my birds.

Here is June and her mostly black neck. She is not very good at holding still for pictures.





This is Louise(the Dominique) and her 2 pullets.



These 2 chicks are out of the blue rose comb NN above.


 
Males can be pure or not pure for barring, so it depends. That one lighter chick definitely is a male pure for barring, so he will throw 100% barred chicks no matter what color hen he's bred to. If one of the darker chicks turns out to be a male, he will not be pure for barring so he will throw both barred and not barred chicks. The chicks are not pure for NN- large bowties. Not pure bred with not pure= 3/4 NN, 1/4 not NN. Some of the NN will be pure- will be able to id by either no bowtie at all or super tiny bowtie like dinahmoe's recent picture.
Not all have large bowties
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This one doesn't seem to have much.
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The one in the last picture is not the same as the two other. Though I know they are not 100% NN. Either way, I'm happy. They are adorable as anything, and will lay green eggs! Can't beat that :P
 
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my poor girl!

She was a survivor of the terrible attack about 3 ish months ago...lost most of her feathers ...and now she's going thru ANOTHER molt???? again?? she just finished it right before the attack!!!



 

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