Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Cynthia12]

We were at a Serama Show. Someone there was selling bantam NN's so we got on the subject.
Here's a picture of two pullets of yours. Love they're big round bodies. Gorgeous girls:

Loving this splash! And, is that a grey head on them? Nice.

 

[Knock Kneed Hen]

Loving this splash!  And, is that a grey head on them?  Nice.

They have a silvery looking head. They remind me of silver screen stars. LOL! I think they're a couple of classy chicks

 

[pgpoultry]

Thank you, as always, Kev, for your words of wisdom. The feathers on the little green eyed girl are bluish with a rusty edge, skin yellow....parentage entirely unknown.

KKH....I think I have the male counterpart of your girls......called Arian....he was a silver chick.....4 toes on one foot, 5 on the other, grey legs, quite small, very vocal.




Referring back to the split comb that Kev was talking about, here are La Fleche (on the right) cockerel chick aged about 11 weeks and Naked Flèche (NN X La Flèche) little pullet on the left of the same age. His comb has two distinct prongs, hers has two little prongs at the back and a flat plate with little fleshy fingers either side.

A close up of her comb

Naked Fleche.....I only have the one right now.....small, black with black beak, feet, and eyes and the La Flèche 'snout' for a nose.

What a wide variety of genetic mixes we have!

 

[Kev]

Yes! Thanks for the update on LF x NN! Her comb does remind me of Kassaundra's boy's comb.. Have plans as for breeding her later on?

Is that girl in second picture dun?

 

[Kassaundra]

Is rose comb present in the breeding stock? could be basically he's rose combed but not pure for it and so happens the single comb is 'expressing itself strongly' or it may be duplex comb gene present in this bird. duplex basically splits the comb- the V horns on polish, lafleche, houdans etc are due to duplex comb.

Thanks, I'm not sure of the genetic makeup of this chicken and where it got it's dark skin, there are two dark skinned right silkie and sumatras right??? Does that mean any black skinned chicken has one or the other in thier herritage??

 

[Kev]

Good question. So far I've only read of one gene for dark skin all over the body- Fibromelanotic or Fm in genetic lingo. Either all dark skinned birds have the same gene or it hasn't been sampled then tested from all those various breeds all over the world- could be a couple surprises in there...

It's probably a correct guess any dark skinned chicken in the US got it from silkies or at least it's the same gene involved. It's due to silkies being common and any other dark skinned breed being either non-present or so very uncommon it's an unlikely source.

Sumatras are supposed to have dark heads but normal skinned on the body. It's due to a gene called 'gypsy face'. If there were NN sumatras, you would be seeing a division between the pigmented upper head/neck and unpigmented mid-lower neck.

Read somewhere the original sebrights possibly were all dark skinned but it's lost in nearly all sebrights but it does persist in a very few lines. I've seen buff laced sebrights with darkish heads.

Bottom line, I'd just go ahead and assume all dark skins got it from silkie in their ancestries for birds in the U.S.

Other dark skinned breeds are starting to get attention, seem to be increasing in numbers and spreading, they probably will make contributions to new lines of dark skinned birds in the future.

 

[pgpoultry]

Kev, the girl in the pic is an odd colour.....greyish brown feathers mainly with a darker grey bit near the neck(where she has feathers) and tail.

I have quite a few strange coloured birds....and wonder if you know the genetics of the odd colour of the girls on the far right and far left of of this pic?

I have a lot of black and 'blue' birds now originating from La Fleche and Blue Partridge Brahma.....but these two are a much darker grey with an even darker feather border. I also have feathered versions of the same.

It would be nice to mix the genetics of some of your lovely birds in the States with me Mottley Crue......wishful thinking, though, probably.

 

[Kev]

strongly suspect that hen in previous picture is a dun. Dun is a newer mutation, not too common yet(I haven't even seen it in person yet). It breeds like blue does- black/blue/splash except dun breeds like this black/dun/khaki(some people use fawn instead).

if you cross a dun with a blue, can get some platinums. platinum seems to be a popular color when people see it.. there's the occasional thread around here on sumatras involving dun and platinum.

So your dun NN is a little of something special... also it is best seen on black chickens, on other color bases such as partridge it can become much more washed out, especially on khaki(genetically pure dun) ones so if you want more, best to breed with blacks or even a blue if you want to try for platinums. Blue x dun will give a nice variety- blacks, duns, blues, platinums.

The younger girls seem to be blues- a bit hard to tell from a picture. blue varies quite a lot in shade and appearrence due to various genes- can be flat/even shade on a feather, blue edged with much darker shade, really pale blue all way to so dark it looks black.

Funny, many of us in the States are envious of English and European stocks! Importers get crazy, crazy prices on newly imported stock- 500-800 per little chicks... there's currently a craze for recently imported cream legbars over here right now.

 

[pgpoultry]

Crikey, interesting stuff.Plenty of blacks and blues for her to choose as consorts, Kev.

It is strange how we always think other folk have more desirable stock. "The grass is always greener'.....no, that's not right our grass is very green due to over-abundance of rain and cool weather. Our mud is also extremely deep, sticky and just plain revolting as a consequence,too.

I think I might need to come to the States with an oversize suitcase of cream legbars.....

 

[Knock Kneed Hen]

I have a lot of black and 'blue' birds now originating from La Fleche and Blue Partridge Brahma.....but these two are a much darker grey with an even darker feather border. I also have feathered versions of the same.

Those are some really pretty colors. The girls on the far right look like splash project birds. Nava would know since she's been working on her beautiful splash birds. Yes, it's a pity that were all spread out. Imagine the trouble we could get into if we didn't have an ocean between us!