Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

A 'not Naked Neck', but an important chick to me! Blue Barred Green-Egger (Cuckoo-'Aucana) with lovely slate legs : )

Nice! I had only one barred roo with fully colored legs thru the years. Unfortunately did not breed from him, oh well.

congrats on the promising solid boy= it IS so hard to get solid colored roos out of projects.

 

[PsycoPeep]

Hi. I kinda asked this awhile back but I got a vague response, so I was wondering if I can get an opinion again. Sometimes you never know who's online (or isn't) when you're asking a question.

Which colors are okay to breed to others? You can breed black to more of a variety, right? Like black, blue, splash, and white? Can you breed them to cukoo and laced or penciled? What about red? If I got a red would I be able to breed it as well to some of the other colors? Like red, buff, white, and someone has blue laced reds, can I red red to that? I just don't have the space, (nor do I want the amount of roosters it'd take), for 1 roo for every single seperate color that I have or want.

Also, I wanted t o ask about the white. That's actually genetically "something else", right? Like the white is a masking gene? Or no? I had one person tell me that you can breed white to anything and someone else said no you can't because it's a masking gene and you don't know what it is genetically and you could be messing it up.

 

[PsycoPeep]

homozygous

So beautiful! What colors are those, please? Are are they still young or is that their true coloring?

 

[aoxa]

Hi. I kinda asked this awhile back but I got a vague response, so I was wondering if I can get an opinion again. Sometimes you never know who's online (or isn't) when you're asking a question.

Which colors are okay to breed to others? You can breed black to more of a variety, right? Like black, blue, splash, and white? Can you breed them to cukoo and laced or penciled? What about red? If I got a red would I be able to breed it as well to some of the other colors? Like red, buff, white, and someone has blue laced reds, can I red red to that? I just don't have the space, (nor do I want the amount of roosters it'd take), for 1 roo for every single seperate color that I have or want.

Also, I wanted t o ask about the white. That's actually genetically "something else", right? Like the white is a masking gene? Or no? I had one person tell me that you can breed white to anything and someone else said no you can't because it's a masking gene and you don't know what it is genetically and you could be messing it up.

White x White (unless dominant) will give you 100% white.

For the BBS (Blue/Black/Splash)

here is a good chart I like to keep on hand:

As for other colours: hard to say without knowing their background. With NNs I breed whatever colour I want together. They are not pure, as it is extremely hard to find exhibition NNs. I only hatch them for my own use, as it's hard to sell them here.

 

[Kassaundra]

Pycocheeks, I do not know what color they are, Fancy probably has a stated color, but I'm thinking the white one doesn't actually have a true color label. I am horrible about telling colors except the most obvious.

Your question about crossing colors, you may have got a vague answer b/c it really does depend on what you want out of your chikens, do you want to keep true colors? do you care about offspring color at all? do you want to show? do you want to sell eggs/chicks as potentially showable? If you want clear labeled coloring for showing, or selling you need to seperate the roos/hens into breeding areas and keep seperate while gathering eggs at least. If you don't mind mixed colors, any color can be mixed w/ any other color.

Oh and these gals are still young.

 

[PsycoPeep]

Aoxa - thanks for the info!

SigningChickens - Aww, Bertha's really cute!

Dipsy Doo - Ouch on your look in the mirror comment about ugly NN's. LOL! But if someone was being rude like that, I can totally see me saying some smart azzed comment about how THEY probably look ugly naked, too!

No different than a Chinese Crested dog or a hairless cat or hairless rat. And there are plenty of people who think THEY are cute. {{shrugs}} Also - are those blue NN's you posted? (I'm trying to get a feel for colors). Yes, I love that little photobomber, too! How adorable! Is that your blue barred EE?


PGPoultry - Jezza's cute! What a story! Wow!


I guess it doesn't REALLY matter to me what colors I get when breeding. Sometimes you get the prettiest colors that way. I don't know that we wouldn't show at some point or that other people looking to buy wouldn't want to show. So that's why I don't really know what to do.

 

[Kev]

PyscoPeep- you got good replies in regards to colors. They are bang on. I'll try to explain my previous answer to you:

I tried to answer you a while back but it was very hard because the questions asked were too broad, covered so much ground- I didn't know where to start. chicken genetics is extremely complex even for seemingly 'simple colors'. For example, a solid buff is one of the hardest colors to accomplish because it requires the birds to be pure for many genes that help make the whole body solid buff. It's not "one gene makes a buff bird"

Questions like what do you get if cross a white with a black is far more complicated than realized.. no fault because it *does* seem simple. but there's so many possibilities without knowing the stock, the answer has to be long-ish with listing several of the possibilities that probably will seem very confusing and conflicting.

You did get it about right- white essentially masks other colors. The confusion probably is due to fact there's *two* different kind of whites. One is dominant white, the other is recessive white. Results in crossing are very different using dominant or recessive white. Also how they work is very different.

Probably would get get more response and clearer answers if narrower or more specific questions were asked.

 

[aoxa]

PyscoPeep- you got good replies in regards to colors. They are bang on. I'll try to explain my previous answer to you:

I tried to answer you a while back but it was very hard because the questions asked were too broad, covered so much ground- I didn't know where to start. chicken genetics is extremely complex even for seemingly 'simple colors'. For example, a solid buff is one of the hardest colors to accomplish because it requires the birds to be pure for many genes that help make the whole body solid buff. It's not "one gene makes a buff bird"

Questions like what do you get if cross a white with a black is far more complicated than realized.. no fault because it *does* seem simple. but there's so many possibilities without knowing the stock, the answer has to be long-ish with listing several of the possibilities that probably will seem very confusing and conflicting.

You did get it about right- white essentially masks other colors. The confusion probably is due to fact there's *two* different kind of whites. One is dominant white, the other is recessive white. Results in crossing are very different using dominant or recessive white. Also how they work is very different.

Probably would get get more response and clearer answers if narrower or more specific questions were asked.

Here is my example of dominant white. Hard to believe this bird was all white when hatched You called it Kev! Isn't he handsome? His father was a NN.





Here is the father.

 

[Kev]

Wow, that is a very beautiful roo!

What's the camera? It makes such pleasing pictures. Fast shutter speed too- nice capture of Brian flapping.

 

[aoxa]

Wow, that is a very beautiful roo!

What's the camera? It makes such pleasing pictures. Fast shutter speed too- nice capture of Brian flapping.

Canon Rebel T3 with 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS II



His full sister is also very pretty Love her lacing. She is also dominant white.

Thanks for the compliments!