Naked Neck/Turken Thread

Hi Ed! Never saw the Naked Neck pigeons! Got to go check them out.
I have frizzled (frillback) pigeons --- my first thought is YAAY! I could make frizzled NN pigeons!
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Lisa
 
I found a guy that has some for sale, I dont want to pay what he is asking for them, he has 16 of them for sale, I dont want that many. I dont know if what he is wanting for them is a good price or not, never found any before for sale, so I dont know if its a good/fair price or not.

I know this is a turken thread, sorry to bring pigeons onto it, just thought since this was about naked necks you all might like to know there are other naked neck birds out there.
 
Hi! I'm not sure if the pics are misleading, but it looks more like their neck feathers were plucked (and have feathers regrowing / follicles on their necks instead of smooth skin). Maybe they molted their bow-ties and they are re-growing? I'd have to see them in person before I made a decision, but I don't find them (from those pics) attractive.
The Romanian NN Pigeons are here in the US?
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Lisa
 
Yep they are in the good ol U S of A. The pics I have seen of them do have the naked neck like a turken, the one on feathersite does look like you say.
 
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Stay proud! If someone challenges, point out the standard itself says a small tuft is permissible. And yes he is pure for the naked neck gene*. Lisa has a digital copy of the naked neck breed standard, email or PM her to get it in full.

I do think of two things- skin are supposed to be yellow on all show NN. The standard for blacks call for black legs, so that is OK for your blue. If the judge notices the soles or skin elsewhere(look under wing to check skin color) is not yellow, well that will be a valid checkmark against him. (I'm guessing he has white skin due to Orp in background? Orps have white skin) Also calls for reddish bay eyes, so if his eyes are all dark.. His tail could use being a little more advanced or fuller before show time.. other than that he's a magnificent specimen if I could say so. As for age, will have to check the show's rules.

*He will prove this by throwing all naked necked chicks, no matter what he's bred with, other NN or different breeds. The hens in last 2 pics are the ones not pure for NN gene, they have the big bowties with lots of feathers covering the lower half of neck and crop areas. If you bred those hens with an Orp, you will see half NN half not NN chicks. May be useful to know for someone who tries to swear any and all bowties are proof of not being pure for NN gene. btw the standard does call to penalize any NN with large bowties, like on those hens.
 
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Yep the bantams from show stock I had were tough birds too. Deeply, deeply regret not maintaining the black bantams.. had assumed I would be able to get more of those 'at any time'. Do you happen to know anybody who breeds or shows buffs? It seems the buffs and blacks are just about gone?
 
Info on naked neck pigeons:

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/nakedneck.html

The absence of neck feathers is not a total one. If you look closely you will see the feather follicles are functional and they are easily observed after each molt; and for each follicle there is a feather’s rachis. At some point during development the feather's normal growth stops, atrophies (undergoes a degeneration) and falls off.

Youtube video:gat golas

It's not the same as naked neck in chickens which is result of feather tract growth "arrest" in the embryos. On chicken embryos, feather follicles start to appear in specific regions and spread out to meet other tracts. This is stopped part way in the growing embryo. This is why naked necks have a pretty consistent pattern, all the feather tracts present are the "first" regions to develop them and all the naked regions are "in middle or last" areas to develop follicles. So unlike on the pigeon necks, the naked areas on NN chickens are truly naked, not even any follicles present.

There is also another naked neck pigeon breed- Spanish naked necks. From what I remember, they have the same thing as Romanian ones. Also a mutant where the pigeons are completely naked, not a single feather anywhere. Those apparently were weak and needed much care and heated accommodations and may be extinct now.

How about naked neck pouters? Wouldn't that be quite a sight?
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There's a naked neck mutant in domestic ducks- the French Cou Nu

Adult pair

Adult male

Duckling

White duckling

There was an page with some history and information on canards cou nu en Anglais but can't find it any more.. from memory, it may be dominant.. the first pair failed to be fertile, however they got around it by outcrossing them with other ducks. They cannot fly, due to wings being affected along the tail too.

I swore to never have water fowl ever again. Those Cou Nus are the only one that will change my mind. Especially if someone puts a basket full of cou nu ducklings in front of me.... Fortunately(?) they appear to be found only in France so far.

I wonder..... can they swim?
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Kev, does one NN sex determine the NN genes more than the other?

So if and when I do an outcrossing, will an NN roo or an NN hen produce more NN chicks? Or does it matter?
Thanks
Monty
 

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