Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[iguanasal]

I am interested in breeding frizzled turkens. I have frizzled cochins.... where do I start? Can I cross one of the cochins in to a turken or should I try to find a frizzled turken purebreed (or is there such a thing?)

Here is mine

 

[Kev]

that's one beautiful boy!!!!!!! You are one very lucky person. Never mind pics, just bring him over here..... haha! would love pics of the babies for sure.

Kev, I lurk this thread a whole lot and I know you're a genetics master. Or at the very least far more clever than I may be

If I cross this splash Araucana X Silkie hen ( who I got at an auction and may also be other things) with my beautiful NN rooster what do you think the resulting chicks would look like?

If these things hatch out I promise to post pics!

He seems not pure for the NN gene so half of his babies with this(or any non NN) hen will come out with NN and half without. I say this because his bowtie has a lot of feathers. Pure ones have either very small with few feathers or no bowtie at all.

He seems pure for barring- I understand Australia has at least two different forms of barring that we don't really have in US. If he were a US bird he would be definitely a pure barred. Anyways assuming he is, 100% of his babies will get the barring gene.

Are you sure she is splash(pure form of blue)? She could be splash but also could pass for a dominant white. Either will give very different results..

If she is splashed form of blue- 100% of the chicks will be blue barred.

If she has dominant white, then she is not pure for it, half of the chicks will be born white or cream with random black spots and the other half will be blue barred. The white chicks are likely to grow up whiter than the hen because the combination of dominant white and barring helps make cleaner white birds.

Expect beards on your chicks, just like Kassundra's recent cute chick pics.

Will have to wait and see if they all or only some have them.. not always possible to determine pure vs not pure by looking at the beard.

If she is Fibromelanotic(silkie dark skin) not too likely to see it in the chicks- barring also dilutes skin pigmentation, including fibro. Might see some 'spotting' on the chicks, very often they clear up as they grow. If you want black skin NN keep some of the sons, especially one you could see some black on skin at hatch.. then breed him with any hen but black ones are best... however even a barred hen will work as some of his daughters will come out non-barred blacks and some will also have dark skin.

 

[julhale]

I have learned SO much from this thread!! I have always had turkens but never really delved into genetics till I started to think "showgirls" early this week. Thanks so much to all of you who question, share, and educate!!

I also have madagascar game.... so its gonna be fun to learn about these little monsters!

 

[lanajc]

Oh im so proud this is my mothers day gift from my oldest daughter

 

[insanity]

Rob, thanks for that explanation. The way snake people use co-dom definitely is a snake hobbyist term and different from the usual genetic definition. but co-dom is also frequently misunderstood in general. It means a locus with more than one dominant gene(allele)- again like the blood example- people can have blood type A, B, O.. or the perfect example of co-dom: AB, a 'separate' type resulting from two dominant genes on the same locus.

The usage of dominant by snake people doesn't make sense though- can you give some example of 'dominant' in snake hobby? Is it a lethal homozygous- all the 'supers' for it die or can't breed?

Basically this is the definitions I've learned though I suppose it is reptile specific.
Co dom = 50% showing in offspring(in snakes)Spider x normal= 50% normal 50% Spider offspring
dominate= 100% showing in offspring
super=100% showing in offspring of 2 or more codom traits.Super Pastel spider(aka killer bee) x normal= 100%pastel spider offsring

As for lethal genes combos in snakes I don't know of any. In gerbils spotted x spotted breeding will produce 25% fatality at birth. In guinea pigs double recessive white with black eyes are referred to as "lethal whites" because of teeth/jaw deformities causing death.

 

[sharkman]

A domanant is the same as a co dom in that both produce 50% babies expressing the gene. But a domanant will always produce only 50 expressed and there is no homozygus form that will produce 100% expressed. A spider, pinstripe, desert and a few others are domnant. A co dom produces 50% expressed but if you breed a co dom to a co dom you get 25% normal 50% expressed and 25% more expressed (super or homozygus) that will produce 100% expressed babys no matter what you breed it to. A pastel, enchi, fires, lessers and alot of others are co-dom. Genetics in birds and snakes is pretty interesting some genes in birds are sex linked but so far non in snakes but some snakes the super form is not tied to the specific variety like a lesser, mojave and I think a fire if you breed together you get a super form that is white. If you breed a lesser to a lesser you get 25% normal 50% lessers and 25% pure white super forms that produce all lessers in the babys and if you breed a lesser to a mojave you get normals, lessers, mojaves and some pure white super forms that have both genes and all the babys will be lessers or mojaves but not both. Some normal hets have markers that you can see in the color or the patern that tells you it carries the gene like in pieds and some genes are hidden and only express when bred to different genes like a hidden gene woma. So far the lethal type gene that seems to be is that desert femals so far have never been able to reproduce and often die when they are gravit but if you never breed them they do fine. The combos for ball pythons is about as craxy as it gets as far as genes and there are new genes being found and added into new morphs every year.
Rob

 

[sharkman]

I forgot about a few other gene problems with ball pythons mainly with head wobble in spider and spider morphs so most people don't breed a spider to spider but even in this case no super forms were produced and a few morph combos produce a high % of birth defects.

 

[TheWeaver]

that's one beautiful boy!!!!!!! You are one very lucky person. Never mind pics, just bring him over here..... haha! would love pics of the babies for sure.

He seems not pure for the NN gene so half of his babies with this(or any non NN) hen will come out with NN and half without. I say this because his bowtie has a lot of feathers. Pure ones have either very small with few feathers or no bowtie at all.

He seems pure for barring- I understand Australia has at least two different forms of barring that we don't really have in US. If he were a US bird he would be definitely a pure barred. Anyways assuming he is, 100% of his babies will get the barring gene.

Are you sure she is splash(pure form of blue)? She could be splash but also could pass for a dominant white. Either will give very different results..

If she is splashed form of blue- 100% of the chicks will be blue barred.

If she has dominant white, then she is not pure for it, half of the chicks will be born white or cream with random black spots and the other half will be blue barred. The white chicks are likely to grow up whiter than the hen because the combination of dominant white and barring helps make cleaner white birds.

Expect beards on your chicks, just like Kassundra's recent cute chick pics.

Will have to wait and see if they all or only some have them.. not always possible to determine pure vs not pure by looking at the beard.

If she is Fibromelanotic(silkie dark skin) not too likely to see it in the chicks- barring also dilutes skin pigmentation, including fibro. Might see some 'spotting' on the chicks, very often they clear up as they grow. If you want black skin NN keep some of the sons, especially one you could see some black on skin at hatch.. then breed him with any hen but black ones are best... however even a barred hen will work as some of his daughters will come out non-barred blacks and some will also have dark skin.

Wraaaaagh, I'm so excited ._.

The lady I bought them off of at Chookaloop said that they were 100% NN and alot of their hatch mates had less bowtie than mine do. She showed me their daddy and he had no bowtie at all. Naked necks seem to be seriously murky waters in Australia, to be honest, and they're not super easy to get ahold of.

I couldn't say for 100% if she was splash or white, the man I bought her off of at the auction said she was just a mutt so I don't think he had paid attention to her genetics, bless his old heart.

Also, I hope they have the freakish little 5 toes that their mother has, hehe.

Thank you for the overload of information, I feel like I should pay you or something. Do you accept tips, lol?

 

[Xovan]

OK let me start by saying I started out thinking that these things were one of the UGLIEST things on gods green earth. Then somehow a few snuck into my order of BLRW,s from Nava. I was like ok fine. I soon found myself looking for them first every time I would look in the brooder. I was going to keep 1 or 2 roos to watch over the flock. NN's were not on the list of potential keepers. Fast forward 5 weeks and the plan has changed. One of the stowaway roos has earned a spot in the flock. He Is the boss of the brooder. not too aggressive but settles any disagreements between others. Being Big and blue with dark lacing does not hurt his cause either. But the kicker is How every time I open the brooder he jumps up on the edge and has to be petted. So now I will have 2 possible pullets and 1 roo that will stay in the flock. Here are a few picks. The first one Is Capt. Boobert. (Yes he got a name so no freezer camp for him)

 

[froggiesheins]

OK let me start by saying I started out thinking that these things were one of the UGLIEST things on gods green earth. Then somehow a few snuck into my order of BLRW,s from Nava. I was like ok fine. I soon found myself looking for them first every time I would look in the brooder. I was going to keep 1 or 2 roos to watch over the flock. NN's were not on the list of potential keepers. Fast forward 5 weeks and the plan has changed. One of the stowaway roos has earned a spot in the flock. He Is the boss of the brooder. not too aggressive but settles any disagreements between others. Being Big and blue with dark lacing does not hurt his cause either. But the kicker is How every time I open the brooder he jumps up on the edge and has to be petted. So now I will have 2 possible pullets and 1 roo that will stay in the flock. Here are a few picks. The first one Is Capt. Boobert. (Yes he got a name so no freezer camp for him)

The Capt. is SO cute! Glad they wormed their way into your heart.......I love my one NN girl Netta....