Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[hellbender]

Double post...sorry.

 

[Kev]

Hope I won't be chased out of town for this- grabbed up none.....

At least I looked at them for a good few minutes.... so long a worker even came by and said if I needed help....

That batch had only 4 pure NN(no clean necks), the rest had huge bowties. All buffs/reds or blacks. I'd have grabbed up any whites or uncommon color variants.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Stopped at a feed store and saw this:

Aaaack! Bummer there were no super-duper nice ones. I stay from chick-bins when the feedstore has chicks.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Guess what's in my hatcher... [Not the blackest of the black, but Fm for SURE!!!!!! Clean legs, single comb, Fm, Naked Neck ---- wheeeeee : ) (excuse the gross nails, I just finished hand-feeding a pigeon-child and got so excited I didn't wash my hands)

Congrats!! I'd be that excited also! Beautiful chick. I've been there with pigeons- the hand fed ones can be so charming.. or annoying..... lol Is the chick a splash or white? My problem with keeping typy Fm line is.. too many projects, so little room. It may still happen because I have the right genes in different birds.... but then I get tempted: Fm bantams, Fm silver laced bantams, Fm LF... where does it end?!?!

It is a splash. And a surprise (but an anticipated surprise), because neither of the parents *show* . They are both 'crosses out' (one side is Rock x and the other is Java X, and both nice big birds). I put them together and SHAZAAM! I thought if I hatched enough of their eggs, the Fm might pop back out ; ) Dang, I get too excited about my chickens.

 

[Vamvakas]

Hope I won't be chased out of town for this- grabbed up none.....

At least I looked at them for a good few minutes.... so long a worker even came by and said if I needed help....

That batch had only 4 pure NN(no clean necks), the rest had huge bowties. All buffs/reds or blacks. I'd have grabbed up any whites or uncommon color variants.

What's wrong with red NN kev? They to over rated for you? Just kidding!

Kev your good with genes, what would a black Australorp roo and a black Ameraucana pullet babies look like.. If you any guess?

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

; ) I'd guess the chicks will be black.

 

[Vamvakas]

Lol, sorry didn't mean to say "chicks" I meant as they mature. What happens when you mix single comb to pea comb? Also mixing non beard to beard. Planning on getting a few black Ameraucana just for blue eggs but I will not breed them, only keep whatever girls I get and put them in the Australorp coop. To early to tell, but if I really like them I may breed them to SoP in there own coop, never had Ameraucana before.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

I saved this a while back (my apologies, but I don't remember who posted it).

Blue Egg Genetics

The gene for blue eggs O is dominant, birds that have either O/O or O/o+ will have the gene.
This gene is located extremely close to the pea comb gene P, again a dominant so either P/P or P/p+ will be pea combed.
These genes are nearly always inherited together. So any pea combed pullets are very likely to lay blue/green based eggs.
Green to Khaki eggs are blue eggs with a surface coating of brown pigment.
Daughters of:
A blue egg O/O male mated to a white egg female o+/o+ could be expected to lay paler blue eggs.
A blue egg O/O male mated to a brown egg female o+/o+ could be expected to lay green eggs.
A blue egg O/o+ male mated to a white egg female o+/o+ could be expected to lay some blue eggs and some white eggs.
A blue egg O/o+ male mated to a brown egg female o+/o+ could be expected to lay some green/khaki eggs and some brown eggs.

(edit: I saved it in regard to crossing single comb brown egg layers to Ameraucana)

I'm sure Kev can explain better than this does.

 

[Kev]

It is a splash. And a surprise (but an anticipated surprise), because neither of the parents *show* . They are both 'crosses out' (one side is Rock x and the other is Java X, and both nice big birds). I put them together and SHAZAAM! I thought if I hatched enough of their eggs, the Fm might pop back out ; ) Dang, I get too excited about my chickens.

That chick shall be called..... SHAZAAM! No such thing as getting too excited about chickens!

 

[Kev]

What's wrong with red NN kev? They to over rated for you? Just kidding!

Kev your good with genes, what would a black Australorp roo and a black Ameraucana pullet babies look like.. If you any guess?

Haha! They would not have turned out as nice as your reds!

It was a comment on how the hatcheries like to say their NN are mixed on purpose for color variety yet black and reds(light, like production reds)/buffs seem to be a huge majority. That has held so strongly over the years to the point I get surprised if any other color shows up.

As to the other question- I don't know what type of black are found in both breeds so my bare bones answer would be: either solid black or black with some color leakage mainly on hackles.

It's because there are two common and one less common "kinds" of blacks based on different genes. There is no single black gene that turns a chicken solid black.. one kind needs less helper genes to turn them solid black(this is the "E" black). One kind needs several more helper genes to turn them black(this is the "ER" aka birchen)... So a cross between those two different kind of blacks(E bred with ER) can result in birds that are lacking/not pure for all the "helper genes", resulting in some color leakage.

Lisa gave a nice chart on color of eggs to expect. Expect your cross pullets to lay green shades, a few might seem turquoish but green shades is the default expectation.

Pea crossed to single often gives a chewed bubblegum appearance, especially on roosters. Very common for them to flop over on roosters and large combed hens.









Beard is dominant but very malleable to selection.. normally in the crosses they are smaller and thinner but there can be some variety from surprisingly full to almost beardless looking- beard feathers are small and lie against the face. Muffs without the beard can happen, rarely the reverse happens- almost no muffs but a big beard. I think yours are from show stock, right? they probably have genetics for very full beards so the offspring should lean to fuller than thinner beards however they will likely to be smaller, not as full than the Amer's.

This one is likely not pure for beard and it's on the small size.