Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Fire Ant Farm]

Don't worry about the heat. They will be heat tolerant just by having NN. It makes a big difference.. also borne out by studies on broilers raised in hot climates(higher meat yields etc).

It gets to 110-120F here.. what kills the big heavy birds is not having a naked neck. I fret over those... with the NN ones all they need is shade and fresh water and they are fine.

Of interest (for what it's worth), my Cream Legbars handled this summer very well with reasonable shade, and not too many extraordinary measures. In addition, my hatchery New Hampshires actually did better with a late heat wave than the Naked necks. Makes me hopeful for my future acquisition of German new Hampshires to cross in later...

Do I understand correctly that if i breed from Bane, rose combs are somewhat dominant and I'll be dealing with them long term? (I may not be interested in that...)

- Ant Farm

 

[Kev]

Thanks for the insights. I knew I had trouble getting a nice dark fm boy, but wasn't sure it was that mine were dilute and I don't hatch big numbers, or if it was a genetic thing. I definitely want fm in my flock, I liked fm before it became the "cool in thing" w/ green fire farms and their pricey fm chickens. One or maybe two of my fm girls has some heft to them (relatively speaking, as in compared to the other FM's not like in relation to a cx or anything) Maybe they can add some meat to the bones of the offspring.

Yeah I've had fibro NN way way before GFF got everybody fired up over them.. by 20+ years lol

There is still a mystery to the whole fibro business. There are so many going around saying it is simply being pure for fibro and many also mention being pure for gypsy face too. Easy peasy.... I just have to laugh because my own hands on experience says quite otherwise.

I still don't understand all of it.. and am frustrated sometimes by what to me, seems rather naive beliefs above and lack of anyone else to talk with who seems to really appreciate how weird and hard it is.

So.. it's not a thing like yours being dilute version- I managed to find a study that proved the same fibro gene was the cause behind cemani, silkie, oyge etc. In other words, the cemanis don't have an alternate version of the fibro gene.

My guess is there is something else that either hasn't been found or ??? Unidentified modifer/helper genes... environment? does tropical climate help darken them? Let's move and test this theory out...... lol

A couple things I noticed... the best fibros are on black(feather) chickens- both extended black and birchen based blacks. It's pretty easy to get dark skinned pullets/hens.. the real challenge are fully mature roosters past one year of age with their skin still very dark. Very high percentage show considerable lightening as is, the rate shoots sky high on non-blacks like partridge. I've failed to get a partridge rooster with skin that was any better than medium grayish(kind of soot colored). IMO it;s very ugly and ended up culling the whole lot of partridges out of frustration. I do have a couple pullets and one cockerel that popped up of last year's chicks. Of course the boy's neck is already so light, ugh... he's still around only because he is a potential blue egger(mom lays clear blue eggs).

In any case... save that boy, trust me... he is precious.

 

[DesertChic]

Here are pics of my 4 boys at the top of my need to decide list (who stays as head and who stays long enough to hatch eggs from)




I LOVE how dark fm this boy is, he is also the slightest build of all the roos. Even though he is smaller I am really thinking about penning him w/ the fm girls and hatching eggs, and quite possibly keeping him as a secondary roo????





This is Pie, the almost certain new head roo. He is the biggest and you guys said he is mottled, do you still think so? Even though his comb looks single it is not it is split in the back into a dainty "leaf" comb. (dainty b/c it is only split a short ways about 1/4 of the total length of the comb)





This is the second fm boy, he is slightly bigger in frame then the first one and has more white showing. Is there any genetic reason you guys can think that I should choose him over the darker fm?







This guy is slightly smaller then Pie, but bigger then the two fm boys. Not sure what is going on w/ his color / pattern genetically. He is my first roo w/ a top knot. Can you see any genetic reason I should choose him over either Pie or one of the fm boys? Or should match him w/ some girls to hatch some eggs before he gets culled. Keeping in mind my limited space for boys.

Your birds are gorgeous! It would be an impossible choice for me to make were I in your shoes. Just gorgeous!

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Yeah I've had fibro NN way way before GFF got everybody fired up over them.. by 20+ years lol

There is still a mystery to the whole fibro business. There are so many going around saying it is simply being pure for fibro and many also mention being pure for gypsy face too. Easy peasy.... I just have to laugh because my own hands on experience says quite otherwise.

I still don't understand all of it.. and am frustrated sometimes by what to me, seems rather naive beliefs above and lack of anyone else to talk with who seems to really appreciate how weird and hard it is.

So.. it's not a thing like yours being dilute version- I managed to find a study that proved the same fibro gene was the cause behind cemani, silkie, oyge etc. In other words, the cemanis don't have an alternate version of the fibro gene.

My guess is there is something else that either hasn't been found or ??? Unidentified modifer/helper genes... environment? does tropical climate help darken them? Let's move and test this theory out...... lol

A couple things I noticed... the best fibros are on black(feather) chickens- both extended black and birchen based blacks. It's pretty easy to get dark skinned pullets/hens.. the real challenge are fully mature roosters past one year of age with their skin still very dark. Very high percentage show considerable lightening as is, the rate shoots sky high on non-blacks like partridge. I've failed to get a partridge rooster with skin that was any better than medium grayish(kind of soot colored). IMO it;s very ugly and ended up culling the whole lot of partridges out of frustration. I do have a couple pullets and one cockerel that popped up of last year's chicks. Of course the boy's neck is already so light, ugh... he's still around only because he is a potential blue egger(mom lays clear blue eggs).

In any case... save that boy, trust me... he is precious.

I'll just simply say... This is SOOOOO fascinating...

- Ant Farm

 

[Kassaundra]

Yeah I've had fibro NN way way before GFF got everybody fired up over them.. by 20+ years lol

There is still a mystery to the whole fibro business. There are so many going around saying it is simply being pure for fibro and many also mention being pure for gypsy face too. Easy peasy.... I just have to laugh because my own hands on experience says quite otherwise.

I still don't understand all of it.. and am frustrated sometimes by what to me, seems rather naive beliefs above and lack of anyone else to talk with who seems to really appreciate how weird and hard it is.

So.. it's not a thing like yours being dilute version- I managed to find a study that proved the same fibro gene was the cause behind cemani, silkie, oyge etc. In other words, the cemanis don't have an alternate version of the fibro gene.

My guess is there is something else that either hasn't been found or ??? Unidentified modifer/helper genes... environment? does tropical climate help darken them? Let's move and test this theory out...... lol

A couple things I noticed... the best fibros are on black(feather) chickens- both extended black and birchen based blacks. It's pretty easy to get dark skinned pullets/hens.. the real challenge are fully mature roosters past one year of age with their skin still very dark. Very high percentage show considerable lightening as is, the rate shoots sky high on non-blacks like partridge. I've failed to get a partridge rooster with skin that was any better than medium grayish(kind of soot colored). IMO it;s very ugly and ended up culling the whole lot of partridges out of frustration. I do have a couple pullets and one cockerel that popped up of last year's chicks. Of course the boy's neck is already so light, ugh... he's still around only because he is a potential blue egger(mom lays clear blue eggs).

In any case... save that boy, trust me... he is precious.

In a heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[123silver]

Are these NN + Bielefelder crosses?

No they are a mix of rhode island red,sex links,leghorn, mostly easter egger and other chickens of mixed breeding.

 

[draye]

No they are a mix of rhode island red,sex links,leghorn, mostly easter egger and other chickens of mixed breeding.

Interesting crosses. I've got some EE crosses also.

Check out these two threads. BIAM. ( In case you read before I get back).

https://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7175181/

and

https://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7175181/

Do any of yours lay green/blue eggs?

I had some at one time I crossed with Red Sec Links, but just as they got to laying age they just out of the blue dropped dead. I had done the cross to improve egg laying.

 

[123silver]

Do any of yours lay green/blue eggs?

I had some at one time I crossed with Red Sec Links, but just as they got to laying age they just out of the blue dropped dead. I had done the cross to improve egg laying.

Yes some do lay blue-ish, green eggs

 

[Phill98]

Here are pics of my 4 boys at the top of my need to decide list (who stays as head and who stays long enough to hatch eggs from) I LOVE how dark fm this boy is, he is also the slightest build of all the roos. Even though he is smaller I am really thinking about penning him w/ the fm girls and hatching eggs, and quite possibly keeping him as a secondary roo???? This is Pie, the almost certain new head roo. He is the biggest and you guys said he is mottled, do you still think so? Even though his comb looks single it is not it is split in the back into a dainty "leaf" comb. (dainty b/c it is only split a short ways about 1/4 of the total length of the comb) This is the second fm boy, he is slightly bigger in frame then the first one and has more white showing. Is there any genetic reason you guys can think that I should choose him over the darker fm? This guy is slightly smaller then Pie, but bigger then the two fm boys. Not sure what is going on w/ his color / pattern genetically. He is my first roo w/ a top knot. Can you see any genetic reason I should choose him over either Pie or one of the fm boys? Or should match him w/ some girls to hatch some eggs before he gets culled. Keeping in mind my limited space for boys.

I realy like the first two boys. If I had those, I would definitely keep first two. First one for dark fm and second one for size. I pesronaly don't like top knots so I wouldn't keep the last one. I also like that white head on dark fm skin on first one.

 

[draye]

Well all the chickens made it thru the night. Sorry to say the turkeys didn't. Haha.

HAPPY THANKSGiVING EVERYONE!