Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[DesertChic]

do I smell a traitor...? ha why the interest in those? just curious.

I have a similar problem.. those darned dwarfs just had to show up in this year's hatch. They are tickling my mad geneticist bone... if the pullets don;t have problems associated with laying, might try to breed them to figure out the genetics. Where to put them though.................

I've decided to part with the barbezieux. Beautiful birds but man, way too birds.

Sometimes I am slightly glad the summers are a killer for so many breeds, keeps on a cap on new breed temptations, ha!

Why did I not know you have Barbezieux???? I've actually been contemplating this breed as well. Please, please, please give me your opinion of them before you part with them. (If I lived closer I would help you "relocate" them.

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The SGD was the first breed I fell instantly in love with when I saw them, though I confess it was only in a photo. I've also wanted to work with a heritage breed from the start...something with a critical status in need of focused breeding to not only help the breed, but to help me learn and grow in my knowledge as well. I'd all but given up on the possibility, but when these hatching eggs became available I had that glimmer of hope again. I want to see how they handle the summers here, and if they do well, I really work at breeding them. The last two times I bought hatching eggs from allegedly "pure" SGDs, the sole fertile egg from one hatch turned out to be my former Ameraucana-mix rooster, Copper, and the other more successful hatch gave me a really nasty hatch of Dorking-mixes with flighty, mean personalities. I still have five of the original 18, but that will be dropping down to only 3 in the very near future. (I'm way behind in my culling, and always cull the hens last unless they're truly problematic.)

And no, there's no chance that I'll give up on my beloved NNs. They will remain my primary breed and I'm still working at thinning down my other breeds so that the NNs are my primary suppliers of both eggs and meat, and if I can get closer to SOP I plan to start showing them to improve recognition and appreciation for the breed. I love this breed far too much to surrender it.

 

[DesertChic]

I joined

Me too!!!

 

[Kev]

That's what I had thought on the most of them, just like you explained.

As far as the Cream Partridge goes: I don't know what his real color is. His mama was the Silver Partridge (GE) NN hen and his daddy was .(he was a little young in this picture). He looked like he was supposed to be a Blue Red, but the red got diluted. This one I'm calling Cream Partridge his back round color is kind of a cream color, so I'm guessing not silver. When I get home tonight I'll see if I can find a picture of the Cream Partridge and post him from my phone.

I remember him now, He is interesting... would like to see updated pic before I can even try to make guesses.

 

[Kev]

Why did I not know you have Barbezieux???? I've actually been contemplating this breed as well. Please, please, please give me your opinion of them before you part with them. (If I lived closer I would help you "relocate" them.

)

The SGD was the first breed I fell instantly in love with when I saw them, though I confess it was only in a photo. I've also wanted to work with a heritage breed from the start...something with a critical status in need of focused breeding to not only help the breed, but to help me learn and grow in my knowledge as well. I'd all but given up on the possibility, but when these hatching eggs became available I had that glimmer of hope again. I want to see how they handle the summers here, and if they do well, I really work at breeding them. The last two times I bought hatching eggs from allegedly "pure" SGDs, the sole fertile egg from one hatch turned out to be my former Ameraucana-mix rooster, Copper, and the other more successful hatch gave me a really nasty hatch of Dorking-mixes with flighty, mean personalities. I still have five of the original 18, but that will be dropping down to only 3 in the very near future. (I'm way behind in my culling, and always cull the hens last unless they're truly problematic.)

And no, there's no chance that I'll give up on my beloved NNs. They will remain my primary breed and I'm still working at thinning down my other breeds so that the NNs are my primary suppliers of both eggs and meat, and if I can get closer to SOP I plan to start showing them to improve recognition and appreciation for the breed. I love this breed far too much to surrender it.

OK your last paragraph was.. your saving grace... heh heh kidding! Thanks for explaining your interest in the SG, I totally get the wanting to preserve heritage breeds- I would love to save particular rare traits from extinction, to help them from going extinct- somewhat similar ideas.. I seem to remember you said the dorking mix was rather delicious too..? That certainly would help keep interest in something, ha!

What do you want to know about the barbezieux?

They are very beautiful birds, brilliant color combination of extreme blackness, plus shininess on the rooster plus the bright white ear lobes and bright red combs and faces. Nice tricolour pattern. They are very tall.. They eat very little which is a huge blessing in a big flock.

NOT friendly. Very shy, easy to spook, not much different from leghorns. The roosters and cockerels never tried to attack me.... they all got along perfectly well as cockerels but when I started to sell them at.. think it was about.. 4 months old? a single rooster was extremely suddenly ganged up on and killed in an early morning by a couple other cockerels. That shocked me as they seemed to get along really well.. and now the remaining rooster is all by himself I do notice he likes to incite fence fighting with neighboring roosters. The hens seem allright- they are not hard on introduced hens- much less hostile than the average hen in fact. Even the small hatchery NN lays bigger eggs than them though.. despite the barbies towering and having much longer bodies. I would say their laying to be rather poor-fair... but one hen is really standing out as a regular layer- continued to lay daily even when in heavy molt.

as for meat.. have not eaten any of them yet but to be brutally honest.. as young birds13-23 week olds they are um not productive.. almost no breast meat, definitely more a thigh breed but the thighs are not huge either. Theyre more giraffees, very impressively tall but even a hippo would give you more meat....

I do wonder if crossing barbie with a broiler type would give a bigger and taller meat bird...? I have not done this type of cross yet- partly the reason they are not gone yet but already bred the roo with a blue egger NN- she is from a line from small birds and wanted to increase their height...

anything else? and does having done a barbie- NN cross already save my butt for having a non NN breed..?

 

[draye]

I remember him now, He is interesting... would like to see updated pic before I can even try to make guesses.

Let me see if I can find a picture of the cockerel. He is a May 23rd chick so he's not quite ready but should be by the spring.

This is him this picture is maybe 2/3 weeks old so fairly up to date.

The above photo was the sire ( he was a Blue Cream color) of this chick.

 

[DesertChic]

OK your last paragraph was.. your saving grace... heh heh kidding! Thanks for explaining your interest in the SG, I totally get the wanting to preserve heritage breeds- I would love to save particular rare traits from extinction, to help them from going extinct- somewhat similar ideas.. I seem to remember you said the dorking mix was rather delicious too..? That certainly would help keep interest in something, ha!

What do you want to know about the barbezieux?

They are very beautiful birds, brilliant color combination of extreme blackness, plus shininess on the rooster plus the bright white ear lobes and bright red combs and faces. Nice tricolour pattern. They are very tall.. They eat very little which is a huge blessing in a big flock.

NOT friendly. Very shy, easy to spook, not much different from leghorns. The roosters and cockerels never tried to attack me.... they all got along perfectly well as cockerels but when I started to sell them at.. think it was about.. 4 months old? a single rooster was extremely suddenly ganged up on and killed in an early morning by a couple other cockerels. That shocked me as they seemed to get along really well.. and now the remaining rooster is all by himself I do notice he likes to incite fence fighting with neighboring roosters. The hens seem allright- they are not hard on introduced hens- much less hostile than the average hen in fact. Even the small hatchery NN lays bigger eggs than them though.. despite the barbies towering and having much longer bodies. I would say their laying to be rather poor-fair... but one hen is really standing out as a regular layer- continued to lay daily even when in heavy molt.

as for meat.. have not eaten any of them yet but to be brutally honest.. as young birds13-23 week olds they are um not productive.. almost no breast meat, definitely more a thigh breed but the thighs are not huge either. Theyre more giraffees, very impressively tall but even a hippo would give you more meat....

I do wonder if crossing barbie with a broiler type would give a bigger and taller meat bird...? I have not done this type of cross yet- partly the reason they are not gone yet but already bred the roo with a blue egger NN- she is from a line from small birds and wanted to increase their height...

anything else? and does having done a barbie- NN cross already save my butt for having a non NN breed..?

Very thorough! Thank you! I feel pretty comfortable crossing them off my list now. I like the tall birds, but I want them to have meat too. I think I'll stick with my plans to buy White Jersey Giant hatching eggs from @Beer can in the spring...to cross with my NNs, of course.

And for the record, I think it's good to have a non-NN breed around. Those fully feathered birds serve as an outstanding source of comparison, and provide more genetic material for making interesting crosses. Just look at some of the beautiful birds @draye has been making.

 

[draye]

Very thorough! Thank you! I feel pretty comfortable crossing them off my list now. I like the tall birds, but I want them to have meat too. I think I'll stick with my plans to buy White Jersey Giant hatching eggs from @Beer can
 in the spring...to cross with my NNs, of course. 

And for the record, I think it's good to have a non-NN breed around. Those fully feathered birds serve as an outstanding source of comparison, and provide more genetic material for making interesting crosses. Just look at some of the beautiful birds @draye
 has been making. 

Thank you.

 

[GabrielBane]

I'd love to hear about a Barbezieux x Jersey cross, just a big ol' jumbo bird.


It's always such a wealth of information in this thread! I can't wait to contribute with NNs of my own, when I picked up my poults about two weeks ago we noticed the Homesteaders had some very cute, decent sized NNs with nice color variety, we figured we'd rather support local farmers and we at least knew the stock, so we're having theem hatch out a dozen chicks for us, they should be hatching around Halloween. We're stoked.

 

[chickengr]

glad to see this thread is active again.

my pc got broken and I lost the software for my camera and my cell phone is old and I could not connect it even before the pc broke. no pic from me at the moment.

I wish I could send you some eggs as the NNs here are heavier than I want them to be. I saw pure NNs imported from romania and they are big too.

 

[Phill98]

Not very many here either, couple hatcheries but probably not very good. The one's I got was a max order of ten, so not much to work with. They are from a closed flock from a original breeder yrs ago, need work but a good start. After I got them I found a breeder of black/blue/splash, that just started with whites awhile ago and from what I've heard has good stock, in Pennsylvania that's not real far from me and sells chicks and hatching eggs. She's the vice president of the National Jersey Giant Club. I might decide to introduce new blood down the road. I don't have any new pics but here are some from last yr when they were young; six-seven months? Sorry about all the non-naked neck pics on a naked neck thread....

His first winter, comb and wattles are a little freezer burnt, healed up nice though My extra rooster I gave my brother Some chicks I hatched this spring, they turn white when the grow their feathers in Broodies Extra rooster I gave my brother, lived in snow and freezing rain for a month, couldn't catch him, caught him on my predator trail cam though Lol! Twice the size of the red sussex The pullet top right is bigger than the red sussex cockerels Don't remember when I took the pic but it was there first winter and I got them in July, so youngsters.

They look great! I love how big, white, very clean and healthy they look. They don't seem overweight and fat, but healthy and big and that's what I like. And those blue legs (am I right?) look great with white.