Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

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And it's(jubilee) is dominant white on dark cornish.... completely different set of genetics. The hobby is just horrible with official names, plus it is not helping out how some individuals are either coming up with a new name for a particular color or using an established(well... you know what I mean..) name for something completely different. Makes it all overly confusing to someone new to the hobby.

 

[Kev]

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Brabanters are supposed to have brown tails with black dot on the tips, right? I just browsed pictures and it is a little confusing on the golds but the silver ones make this very clear(as in white tail with black tips).

Seems a little detail but it makes a huge difference because that shows they are based on ER/birchen. On other bases- eb/partridge, etc the tail will be solid black.

Spangling of the black dot at tip of feather requires Pg, Ml and Db, on Birchen for the spangled tail.

Birchen NN probably would be the best outcross..

Nearly all hatchery stock NN are wheaten plus Co to make them black tail buff/reds. you don't really want wheaten or Co, because wheaten can make the spangles pretty small or have poor spangling on breasts- it "likes" to get rid of black pigments, which is why it is so often used for buff birds. Adding Co to the mix can give some birds that visually look spangled but it's fake.. but it also will make a whole series of patterning with the Pg Ml- pencilling, double lacing, even single lace etc. They can create very beautiful or cool patterns but can be a headache if trying for a single pattern.. it is do able but you need to know what the clues are so you can pick out the correct birds for the next step.

Co is "invisible" in blacks and birchens, so the black/birchen hatchery NN very likely have it due to it being so widespread.

Not end of the world though.... especially if you are willing to breed back the crosses back to pure brabanters, that will make it so much simpler and there will be more examples of the correct genetic combations for you to pick out in the second generation onwards.

 

[mysteryp]

Nava, I want to pre-order chicks for 2017 shipping. Please let me know what you need from me. PM me with details.
I did send you a PM a while back and an email.

Did Nava ever get back to you ? I have tried to get her info for ordering with no such luck

 

[DesertChic]

Interesting color on that first chick. Is it feathering out white?

For the second one, that is not a sex linked pairing- has to be non barred roo with a barred hen. However there is a small chance at figuring out the cockerels and pullets from this. All of the non barred chicks will be pullets because I don't think Zazzle is pure for barring, so half of his daughters will be non barred. This also means his sons will come in either pure barred and not pure barred. The pure barreds have a much larger head spot, this chick has a large head spot so it probably is a pure barred cockerel. But the chicks with a small head spot could either be a pullet or a cockerel with just one barring gene.

It's sort of similar to how NN are more naked than Nn.. BB(for barring) have a bigger head spot as chicks, lighter colored roosters than Bb chicks/roosters plus hens. Due to the sex linked nature, hens can only be B- or b- so they never get a big head spot like on BB chicks.

Oh, boy! Okay...I need to spend more time studying the color & pattern genetics.

That top silvery chick has two siblings that are nearly identical to it, and they're all starting to feather out as "beige", two with white tips on their feathers. I'm not kidding...the color isn't buff or cream...it's BEIGE. I've never seen a color like this on a chicken! Their feathers are barely beginning to show so I'm curious to see how much the color changes as they feather out more.

And that black chick with the bright white dot on the head is now looking more pullet than cockerel, though I know that can change. I had already chosen the name "Sylvester" for it and it's hatch-mate, which hatched out really yellow was going to be "Tweety". I still may keep the name Tweety since the chick is most definitely a cockerel. I'm amazed by how prominent its comb is already.

 

[DesertChic]

All viable options...

And seriously...do you really need that third bedroom? You could easily know out that window and turn it into a human access door with a chicken pop door added for the birds.

 

[Kev]

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So sorry to be overly blunt, but..... Goodness, what horrible advice! That third bedroom NEEDS to be converted into a dedicated INCUBATOR ROOM!

 

[Kev]

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From what you describe, it could either be a dominant white on a buff-ish bird of some sort or one of those dominant white that turn out more of an off white color with a varying amount of buff wash.

Dominant white has a strong effect on black pigments but a weak effect on the buff-gold-red pigments. A good example are the red sex links, they are red with white details on neck and tails precisely due to dominant white. If they did not have dominant white, the same white details on their necks and tails would be black- the RIR or production red color pattern.

Back to the parents of your chick, it could be a black tail buff with dominant white plus barring. That will be interesting to see how that combination feathers out.

btw if you still want to breed for solid whites, if Slyvester turns out to be something you really like.. it could be very useful for the white program too.

 

[Kassaundra]

Took some pics tonight.




Look at that neck not a feather in sight!



One of the little bit of red I have left in the flock,







One of my absolute faves!!!! Love the white beard and the dark skin!








Only blue in the flock



Black on black what's not to love?





The other bit of red in the flock

 

[GabrielBane]

Those fibro birds are simply LOVELY!

 

[Kassaundra]

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