Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[draye]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7661889/

I was told that this color is called Silver Wheaten. I love it and wish I could get it back in my flock.

 

[Kassaundra]

Draye the link doesn't work for me

 

[draye]

Draye the link doesn't work for me

It's the last hen you have pictured above.

 

[Kassaundra]

It's the last hen you have pictured above.

This one?



@Kev ;or anyone else who knows is she silver wheaten?

 

[draye]

This one? @Kev ;or anyone else who knows is she silver wheaten?

Yep! That one.

 

[DesertChic]

From what you describe, it could either be a dominant white on a buff-ish bird of some sort or one of those dominant white that turn out more of an off white color with a varying amount of buff wash.

Dominant white has a strong effect on black pigments but a weak effect on the buff-gold-red pigments. A good example are the red sex links, they are red with white details on neck and tails precisely due to dominant white. If they did not have dominant white, the same white details on their necks and tails would be black- the RIR or production red color pattern.

Back to the parents of your chick, it could be a black tail buff with dominant white plus barring. That will be interesting to see how that combination feathers out.

btw if you still want to breed for solid whites, if Slyvester turns out to be something you really like.. it could be very useful for the white program too.

Well, Mother Haley is all white, being part White Rock. Her father was my Ameraucana-mix, Copper. I wanted to breed her because of her apparent dominant white, knowing that she also carried that red from her father in her genetics. Throw Zazzle with all of his buff barring....*sigh*. I'm just gonna wait and see how it all turns out. That's one of the things I LOVE about NNs - all that variation in color. Colors may not be my primary goals, but I sure do enjoy the eye candy, and the mystery revolving around how each chick will turn out.

 

[draye]

Well, Mother Haley is all white, being part White Rock. Her father was my Ameraucana-mix, Copper. I wanted to breed her because of her apparent dominant white, knowing that she also carried that red from her father in her genetics. Throw Zazzle with all of his buff barring....*sigh*. I'm just gonna wait and see how it all turns out. That's one of the things I LOVE about NNs - all that variation in color. Colors may not be my primary goals, but I sure do enjoy the eye candy, and the mystery revolving around how each chick will turn out. 

I like seeing all the different colors coming out of different crosses myself.

 

[lpyrbby]

Brabanters are supposed to have brown tails with black dot on the tips, right? I just browsed pictures and it is a little confusing on the golds but the silver ones make this very clear(as in white tail with black tips).

Seems a little detail but it makes a huge difference because that shows they are based on ER/birchen. On other bases- eb/partridge, etc the tail will be solid black.

Spangling of the black dot at tip of feather requires Pg, Ml and Db, on Birchen for the spangled tail.

Birchen NN probably would be the best outcross..

Nearly all hatchery stock NN are wheaten plus Co to make them black tail buff/reds. you don't really want wheaten or Co, because wheaten can make the spangles pretty small or have poor spangling on breasts- it "likes" to get rid of black pigments, which is why it is so often used for buff birds. Adding Co to the mix can give some birds that visually look spangled but it's fake.. but it also will make a whole series of patterning with the Pg Ml- pencilling, double lacing, even single lace etc. They can create very beautiful or cool patterns but can be a headache if trying for a single pattern.. it is do able but you need to know what the clues are so you can pick out the correct birds for the next step.

Co is "invisible" in blacks and birchens, so the black/birchen hatchery NN very likely have it due to it being so widespread.

Not end of the world though.... especially if you are willing to breed back the crosses back to pure brabanters, that will make it so much simpler and there will be more examples of the correct genetic combations for you to pick out in the second generation onwards.

This is beautiful. Thank you!

From what I'm gathering in the Brabanter thread, the genetics that are available in the US have given would-be breeders a LOT of "junk" to work through. Of course, I've only made it to 2012 of the thread, so maybe something better has happened during the last 4 years. The white with spangles is typically the Spitzhauben. Spitz don't have beards, where Brabanters should have them, along with a small crest (not like a polish-inspired crest, which happens, it seems). Gold and Cream seem to be the only colors of Brabanter available in the US at this point, unless other people are working with their own crosses.

I'll see what I hatch (hopefully) and what else is out there, and study up on how to determine a birchen base over wheaton. In the end, I'm totally willing and ready to breed an F1+ NN/Brabanter cross back to a good Brabanter to try to get better qualities I'm looking for from the Brabanter look while still maintaining the NN.

 

[chickengr]

@Kev

I have a silver cuckoo marans cockerel. if I cross him to a red Nn hen what colours should I get? I bought her as a chick already feathered out so I don't know what colour she had at hatch. the base of her feathers is cream/whitish.

 

[Phill98]

@Kev


I have a silver cuckoo marans cockerel. if I cross him to a red Nn hen what colours should I get? I bought her as a chick already feathered out so I don't know what colour she had at hatch. the base of her feathers is cream/whitish.

I guess gold birchen/copper but I don't know what else you could get from this.