Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[gimmie birdies]

I had gotten store eggs a while back NN's but a hen sat on them broke one and wrecked the lot. My son got married in Montana and his in-laws had NN, I have 3 of their eggs in incubator, wish me luck.

 

[chickengr]

I had gotten store eggs a while back NN's but a hen sat on them broke one and wrecked the lot. My son got married in Montana and his in-laws had NN, I have 3 of their eggs in incubator, wish me luck.

 

[I Love Layers]

What do you guys think of using them for a meat pen at county 4H and possibly state fair? In hoping to get them in the next month or so, at county they would be 5-6 months and state 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 months do you guys think that would be enough weight on them?

 

[draye]

I had gotten store eggs a while back NN's but a hen sat on them broke one and wrecked the lot. My son got married in Montana and his in-laws had NN, I have 3 of their eggs in incubator, wish me luck.

Great. Fingers crossed for hatch.

What do you guys think of using them for a meat pen at county 4H and possibly state fair? In hoping to get them in the next month or so, at county they would be 5-6 months and state 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 months

That's a great ideal. I don't show myself, mostly don't have the patience, but I'm for whatever helps the cause. In this case Naked Necks.

 

[GabrielBane]

@I Love Layers I think it'd be a great project, if you knew where the projects stock began from I'm sure they'd show out quite well, you'd be in the sweet spot for market age imo, there are a few broiler lines of NN I think could fit the SOP for NNs while also competing in a market program. I think it's all about nutrition at that point. I won the commercial market program at the central florida fair for two years in '11-'12 using Wyandottes in a pen, so it's certain plausible to beat any of the "classic" market choices around.



Edited; I showed Wyandottes for market, Rocks for laying pens! Whoops!

 

[DesertChic]

What do you guys think of using them for a meat pen at county 4H and possibly state fair? In hoping to get them in the next month or so, at county they would be 5-6 months and state 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 months

Well, I use my NNs as meat birds and love them. They're not going to look like a Cornish X, but they're bodies should be nicely muscled and proportional by then. Here's one of my boys at 5-6 months:


And I agree with @draye . Anything that will improve visibility and appreciation for this amazing breed gets a thumbs up from me.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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Lavender are genetically a solid black chicken "with lavender added". In short, black is dominant over just about everything else. (over simplifying it) so the results of the cross would be black chicks, eventually feathering out mostly black with either silver or brown 'details'- much like black sex links... color on the neck, lacing on the breast, red or silver saddle and wing areas on the roosters.

There's some quibbling grounds but yes, basically a lavender Aloha would look exactly as or similar to porcelain as on porcelain mille fleur. The quibbling ground is basically the presence of a black bar between the white mottle tip and buff feather. Many of the birds in the Aloha project lack this black bar, so some might object to calling that porcelain the same as in milles but technically it is the same thing..

on a mille the feather is like this- white mottle tip-black bar-buff feather.
on procelain it is like this- white mottle tip-lavendar bar-pastel buff feather.

On the aloha without the black bar, the feather is a white mottle tip-buff feather. On a lavender version it would be mottle tip-pastel buff feather. The lavender grey shade would show on their tail.

I admit to not knowing the genetic difference between presence of the black bar vs absence of black bar.....

p.s. unfortunately the term porcelain is getting wider usage... It's already been applied to things like a lavender buff, lavender black tail buff etc. so if you see a porcelain that looks nothing like a porcelain mille, don't worry about it too much..

I do get that F1 chicks will all be black - what would be the best avenue to get the lav/lav Alohas (lavender/buff mottling), then? F1xF1? I assume line breeding with dad will just give you more black, though it will afford 50% with lav/lav.... But then what...

(I am really getting to too many males already, so I'm trying to keep the numbers of males around limited. Not ideal for breeding options, but I don't want to get shut down for a noise complaint, either. We are allowed roosters, but I don't want to be the reason they are banned later due to them being a nuisance, of course!!!!)

Too bad I don't have a big farm.

- Ant Farm

 

[Phill98]

I do get that F1 chicks will all be black - what would be the best avenue to get the lav/lav Alohas (lavender/buff mottling), then? F1xF1? I assume line breeding with dad will just give you more black, though it will afford 50% with lav/lav.... But then what...

(I am really getting to too many males already, so I'm trying to keep the numbers of males around limited. Not ideal for breeding options, but I don't want to get shut down for a noise complaint, either. We are allowed roosters, but I don't want to be the reason they are banned later due to them being a nuisance, of course!!!!)

Too bad I don't have a big farm. 

- Ant Farm

What I think that might work is breeding F1 mottle carriers(which should be all) back to dad to get lav/lav and keep only the lav/lav mottle carriers and then breed only them in between.

That way you don't need any roostes from F1- not even many hens and 1 rooster and two-three hens from F2.

Hope that all of this makes sense.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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Thanks - that does make sense! My head wasn't wrapping itself around it...

- Ant Farm

 

[I Love Layers]

@I Love Layers
 I think it'd be a great project, if you knew where the projects stock began from I'm sure they'd show out quite well, you'd be in the sweet spot for market age imo, there are a few broiler lines of NN I think could fit the SOP for NNs while also competing in a market program. I think it's all about nutrition at that point. I won the commercial market program at the central florida fair for two years in '11-'12 using Wyandottes in a pen, so it's certain plausible to beat any of the "classic" market choices around.   



Edited; I showed Wyandottes for market, Rocks for laying pens! Whoops!

Do you have any lines you suggest? I was originally thinking about just getting ones from Nava but I think I'd rather do meat pens with them as my hands will be full with cochins, possibly some polish, and cream Legbars at fair.
I was originally going to order from Murray McMurray hatchery but do you have ant suggestions as to where else