Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Fire Ant Farm]

@Kev , two of the GNH x NN chicks have a head spot like this one. Can you remind me what that means?



(I'm worried it means that I only have two pullets, can't remember... In which case I need to set more...)

- Ant Farm

 

[bramblefir]

@Kev , two of the GNH x NN chicks have a head spot like this one. Can you remind me what that means? (I'm worried it means that I only have two pullets, can't remember... In which case I need to set more...) - Ant Farm

My Jubilee Orps hatch with similar down. If I recall correctly that little headspot is indicative of the Columbian gene, not gender. Oh, and my OEGB x Salmon Faverolle pullet that I posted upthread also had a small headspot. She is most definitely carrying Columbian as that's her adult plumage. Edited to add her chick pic:

For funsies, ID the chicks and take photos with each new plumage.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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Thanks! I was just reading about chick down. But as (I think) both parents have Co, I would have expected all of them to show it. I did find something indicating the small spots being seen in eWh (wheaten), and implying that the Columbian gene makes the down gold rather than cream (all of them have golden/reddish down)...

From backyardpoultry forum (username KazJaps):

Wheaten without Columbian:


Wheaten WITH Columbian:


(This down color thing is scrambling my head, though. Off to read some more...)

- Ant Farm

 

[GabrielBane]

Our boy Silver Wheaten Sulms also had the head-spot!



Here's the only photo where it's remotely visible, but it was a little black dot on most of their heads;

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

On kippenjungle, it says New Hampshires are eWh/eWh and Co/Co.

Who knows what Tank's make up is, but he has Co because of his coloring/tail, I think. I've clearly got a lot more reading to do...

 

[bramblefir]

Thanks! I was just reading about chick down. But as (I think) both parents have Co, I would have expected all of them to show it. I did find something indicating the small spots being seen in eWh (wheaten), and implying that the Columbian gene makes the down gold rather than cream (all of them have golden/reddish down)... From backyardpoultry forum (username KazJaps): Wheaten without Columbian: Wheaten WITH Columbian: (This down color thing is scrambling my head, though. Off to read some more...) - Ant Farm

Chick down is a pain. Just to throw another wrench in for you, Mahogany can turn down red/gold too and the NH definitely have that.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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Well, I thought I sort of understood Columbian. I just read the Hutt book section. Now I REALLY don't understand it. I give up.

(Kev, when are you writing that easy-to-understand chicken genetics book?!)

- Ant Farm

 

[Kev]

Yep, chick down is a pain. All the little variables- seriously it often goes like this If A then B then C unless D is present then XYZ however if L is present then OP....... also differing opinions, seeming contradictions.......... It does not help either that a specific statement is generally true but 'that one person has to bring in minor, ultra rare exception' that just confuses every reader just trying to get a handle on it.....

I agree it has nothing to do with gender. Tank definitely is wheaten and Co. Practically all hatchery stock NN are eWh eWh CoCo however you have some strong exceptions with Mystique(does not have Co) and Apoc had a black breast.. I am not sure how exactly that works, someone said that is Db(darkbrown)... but I wonder what about presence of Co... bascially Co 'likes' to clear the body of black pigment(eumelanin) so that seems a bit conflicting so one idea was maybe he did not have Co either if it really does suppress the black breast regardless of Db or whatever. Anyways the point is maybe Tank is something like eWheWh Coco+

by the way.. KazJaps REALLY knows her stuff and easily whips up references etc. Her word would be the final word really.

p.s edited this so tagging in case the original was already read... @FireAntFarmer

 

[Kev]

Well, I thought I sort of understood Columbian. I just read the Hutt book section. Now I REALLY don't understand it. I give up.

(Kev, when are you writing that easy-to-understand chicken genetics book?!)

- Ant Farm

I don't have the book.. can't remember if it is online either? What's the part(s) you're struggling with?

 

[Kev]

On kippenjungle, it says New Hampshires are eWh/eWh and Co/Co.

Who knows what Tank's make up is, but he has Co because of his coloring/tail, I think. I've clearly got a lot more reading to do...

you are actually on right path.