Thanks. The 4Her I got him from got him from a Shiptons. Interestingly enough, they said he was a reddish buff colored chick. Same as the top Pulley was a chick, and the same down color as my other buff male and his buff brother were. That chick down hides a lot of colors apparently. He's a sweetheart for a male though. He had to live in their basement since they weren't supposed to have males so he was happy to have a stall to himself for quarentine. Can't wait until spring when I can move my naked neck group (and my calico cause she's big enough to support the Males). I'm sure seeing grass and getting to be with other birds will make him even happier.