Mutt Farm
Songster
In this thread, nothing has failed except owners who expected way too much from a dog, wanted an immediate cure, failed to invest time and effort into actually training a dog to know what is expected or learning how to accomplish that. I'm sorry, but as a certified trainer of dogs and trainer of humans to train dogs, you have another false conception. Dogs don't "know they did wrong and are suffering consequences". That ignorant 50's-60's point of view is held by folks that shoot, dump and beat dogs if they don't act right. Dogs are completely incapable of forethought, reason,or revenge. I don't expect to change your mind. Don't want to. Dig on into what was ok 40 years ago before folks sought to understand animal behavior and learning. Don't listen to me. I ask you to research.