Need help identifying this breed

[SweetLittleChicks]

Was bought off Facebook seller told me she was a golden sebright... however she has the colours and shape of a golden laced Wyandotte... but could also be a Barnevelder... please help I need to know what breed she is before I place her in shows.. she is approximately 16weeks old

Golden laced wydotte.

 

[ColtHandorf]

What about the fact that she doesn’t have spurs like 99.9%cockles do

My English Orpingtons don't get any sort of spur until they are nearly a year old. Caspian, my Silver-laced Orpington is going on a year now and has tiny bumps. So using spurs, or the lack thereof, to sex a cockerel is not an accurate way of doing so.

And yeah, i can't really sex chickens,

So why are you saying its a pullet if you can't sex them?

Otherwise here is a barnavelders who looks like Audrey too....

A Barnevelder cockerel. That bird is not a pullet.

This is a pullet...

This is a rooster with females...

my new silkie chicks

Males, and with single combs that are red at this age indicate male, and poor quality in terms of meeting the breed standard.

What about these 2?

Pullets

And this one?

Pullet

last one for now....

Pullet

 

[TheOddOneOut]

So here are my photos of my new silkie chicks
I need to know what sex they are...

the 1st 2 photos are of the same chick and then the next 2 photos are of the other chick

they are approximately between 9 and 11 weeks

Boys boys boys. Not even real Silkies, possibly.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Boys boys boys. Not even real Silkies, possibly.

They are, just not top quality. Though I agree that they’re cockerels.

 

[ColtHandorf]

They are

Other than having the Silkied gene and dark skin and possibly five toes what makes them a Silkie? Because the seller said so? I can say a muffed and bearded Easter Egger that lays blue eggs is an Ameraucana all day but if it doesn't meet the breed standard of perfection then it's not. The same applies to those birds. No Silkies have single combs. They should be walnut. Additionally they should be mulberry colored, not Drop Dead Barred Rock Red.

 

[HawaiiCoyote]

Other than having the Silkied gene and dark skin and possibly five toes what makes them a Silkie? Because the seller said so? I can say a muffed and bearded Easter Egger that lays blue eggs is an Ameraucana all day but if it doesn't meet the breed standard of perfection then it's not. The same applies to those birds. No Silkies have single combs. They should be walnut. Additionally they should be mulberry colored, not Drop Dead Barred Rock Red.

your dead right! Just a while ago I thought that my EE mixes were Ameraucana mixes, but the best on BYC helped me find out that they are easter eggers! Very funny. I would consider most of the people in this thread to be professionals on chicken keeping *besides myself haha*

 

[SweetLittleChicks]

My English Orpingtons don't get any sort of spur until they are nearly a year old. Caspian, my Silver-laced Orpington is going on a year now and has tiny bumps. So using spurs, or the lack thereof, to sex a cockerel is not an accurate way of doing so.

So why are you saying its a pullet if you can't sex them?

A Barnevelder cockerel. That bird is not a pullet.

This is a pullet...

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This is a rooster with females...

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Males, and with single combs that are red at this age indicate male, and poor quality in terms of meeting the breed standard.

Pullets

Pullet

Pullet

Oh

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Other than having the Silkied gene and dark skin and possibly five toes what makes them a Silkie? Because the seller said so? I can say a muffed and bearded Easter Egger that lays blue eggs is an Ameraucana all day but if it doesn't meet the breed standard of perfection then it's not. The same applies to those birds. No Silkies have single combs. They should be walnut. Additionally they should be mulberry colored, not Drop Dead Barred Rock Red.

Well, they also have large crests, feathered feet, and seem to be the size and shape of a silkie. They just lack walnut combs and aren’t fully fibromelanistic. I’m not saying they’re good quality, but I’ve seen hatchery silkies that were much worse, yet were still silkies. Hatchery silkies will lack feathered feet, crests, walnut combs, and be huge compared to a good quality silkie, but they’re still the result of (poor quality) silkie x (poor quality) silkie. They aren’t a mix, as there’s no outside breeds being introduced into their gene pool, just badly bred. If these are mixes, they are probably silkie mix X silkie mix. I would be more inclined to believe the seller, unless they were sold as sexed pullets (which they obviously aren’t) then I would view them as more unreliable.

 

[ColtHandorf]

They aren’t a mix, as there’s no outside breeds being introduced into their gene pool, just badly bred.

I don't believe walnut combs spontaneously produce single combed birds when mated together. Their comb is enough reason to say they are mixed.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

I don't believe walnut combs spontaneously produce single combed birds when mated together. Their comb is enough reason to say they are mixed.

They can if they have the recessive single comb gene, which is surprisingly common in silkies. Walnut combs involve the rose comb and pea comb genes. Having two copies of the rose comb gene, which I understand is needed for a pure walnut comb, decreases fertility. Which is why you see so many sebrights, wyandottes, and other breeds with singles instead of rose combs. Because, in a hatchery breeding group, the birds with single combs or one single comb gene have more offspring than the ones with two rose comb genes. Even show quality birds often have this problem. And, if the person who sold those cockerels got the parent stock from a hatchery, then they’re still going to have those recessive and incorrect traits.