Need help identifying this chick.

[KsKingBee]

It is not the amount of white that makes it pied or silver pied. It is the genetics. Don't think about the amount of white as what makes a bird pied or silver pied. Rather think about what the pied and silver pied pattern gene does to a birds appearance.

Wow.

That little nugget really strikes home for me, my little light bulb came on. Thank you!

 

[EyeKeyYou]

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What are you seeing that tells you White Eye? The Cameo in the third pic might be WE, anybody else think so?

Two things the fact that she looks just like my pied white eyed hens and the tips of her neck feathers. That she is much darker than my silver pied hens and though the amount of white does not define silver pied she has way too much color in my opinion for her to have two white eyed genes. I also agree on the Cameo.

 

[zazouse]

Looks like a silver pied hen to me i mean i see silver and it can't be a silver without silver feathers right?
I have a white eyed pied that has produced white eyed chicks and she is not this color or shade of silver and she carries the white eyed gene because i got white eyed chicks from her

so to me looking at this hen
without knowing the genetics behind her my eye tells me she is a silver pied when ilook at her as she is white with color not color with white ans she has silver feathers where my white eyed pied caring one white eyed gene is brown with a silver sheen

 

[AugeredIn]

Well, this is why you are one of the experts, and I am a slow, and not well-educated aspirant

When I look at the photos of the bird's right side, it has lots of color, not so much white, and although you can see some silvering, it's not super strong. Then when I look at the photos of the bird's left side, especially the second photo (the one just down from the top), there's a lot more white, and the feathers look more silvered below, compared to the feathers on the neck. And there are some white feathers interspersed with those lighter feathers in the saddle area (I just love that term!). I don't know whether either photo was affected by the lighting conditions.

It seems obvious there is WE affecting the bird... but you are right, there is a LOT of color on the bird, so I don't know. My initial reaction was IB pied white eyed, because of all the color and the richness of the color... but I don't feel like I have enough experience or have seen enough birds to really say... I studied her pictures for awhile, debating, when I first saw them, because she reminds me of DylansMom's bird that we just talked about last week. As for venturing an opinion here as to which -- I definitely would prefer to defer to you folks that have been doing this longer with more birds than me

She is definitely a pretty hen!

I am by no means an expert but I have seen a lot of birds in the last two years. The more you see the better perspective you have. If you have a chance to go see a lot of birds in one place, do it.

 

[AugeredIn]

So @AugeredIn , here's a question... could it be that the silvering on this bird is a result of single factor WE working with the loud pied (white + pied) genetics? And do you think that if she had 2 WE genes she would present as silver pied? Or do you feel that there is another gene/factor... a silver pied gene (possibly associated with WE genes, or a different version of the WE gene) that this hen doesn't carry, which is leaving her with all this color? Her feathers look somewhat diluted, but not as fully diluted as some birds.

It seems like an area where different folks suggest different things, and I'm trying to understand the genetics

and what we see as a result... it's really fascinating

I definitely think that there is a "silver pied" gene associated with the WE gene. Loud pied is pretty much undefined genetically but most "names" mean a pied we bird that is not silver pied. It could have one or two we genes.

Since he did not say the dad was pied we, and you would think you would notice a few we if he is old enough to breed, you have to assume that maybe this bird got all the right silver pied genes from the white mom but did not get the second we gene from dad.

 

[Garden Peas]

I am by no means an expert but I have seen a lot of birds in the last two years. The more you see the better perspective you have. If you have a chance to go see a lot of birds in one place, do it.

Sigh, I wish! I don't know how far it is to the nearest person that seriously has birds, but it's probably at least 400-500 miles...

I will, I will, I will make it to the UPA convention one of these years

 

[Garden Peas]

I definitely think that there is a "silver pied" gene associated with the WE gene. Loud pied is pretty much undefined genetically but most "names" mean a pied we bird that is not silver pied. It could have one or two we genes.

Since he did not say the dad was pied we, and you would think you would notice a few we if he is old enough to breed, you have to assume that maybe this bird got all the right silver pied genes from the white mom but did not get the second we gene from dad.

Interesting... so your thought is that to be silver pied, genotypically the bird must have 2 WE genes, a white gene, a pied gene PLUS something else that turns up with WE birds that we could call the silver pied pattern gene?

That could explain some things... do you think this is a variant of the WE gene, or is it perhaps another gene altogether?

 

[AugeredIn]

I think the silver pied gene is a variant of the WE gene.

 

[Dany12]

Oops, it's time to draw a genetic chart .... I made the first steps ...
Silver Pied X Silver Pied
Genetic = P + W + We + We
Four options so a table with four entries: PW + PWe + WWe + WeWe I pass the baton to another for the table ... I have two left hands!

 

[AugeredIn]

Actually each bird has four possibilities of transfer as follows: P:WE, W:WE, P:WE, W:WE but since a couple are duplicates in reality they are only two possibilities W:WE and P:WE

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This would be your chart.