Need help identifying this chick.

[AugeredIn]

That is not representative of the birds in question though. This would be more like it but we are obviously guessing:

 

[Garden Peas]

Well... maybe. A couple things I have been ruminating about.

I agree that the charts are exactly correct.... if any WE gene will do. And you are exactly right that we don't know much from the OP about the parents of the bird in question, so that second chart is the best we can for that bird, without more information.

But if there is a variant WE gene which results in the silver pied pattern - lots of dilution of color, mostly white, distinctive locations for the dilution... and there seems to be agreement that there needs to be two WE genes to get SP? Then we somehow need to account for the variant WE gene. And also, if there is a variant WE gene responsible for the SP pattern, do there have to be TWO of them present, or would a regular WE plus the variant WE do? And I am assuming the two versions of the WE gene would be alleles, but if it actually represents another gene that hangs around with or turns up in WE birds, then that wouldn't be guaranteed...

I need to go back and reread the various stuff on SP and how it came about, I guess. I remember reading something about birds "out of white" birds, maybe?

Another thing... could this be another example of a crossover gene, as in peach is a crossover of cameo and purple? I don't understand enough about crossover genes to even know if that is a possibility for the silver pied pattern, but it seems like maybe it could be... Could there be something crossing over in the white/pied/white eye genes that contributes to the SP pattern?

Sigh. I'm sorry, I guess I just don't understand this area very well yet. @AugeredIn , you may not consider yourself an expert, but you sure know a lot more than I do. I'm so grateful that you help

thank you!

 

[SDpeafowl]

Thank you all for the help! Peafowl genetic can be pretty confusing.

 

[Sunshine sistas]

I definitely think that there is a "silver pied" gene associated with the WE gene.  Loud pied is pretty much undefined genetically but most "names" mean a pied we bird that is not silver pied.  It could have one or two we genes.  

Since he did not say the dad was pied we, and you would think you would notice a few we if he is old enough to breed, you have to assume that maybe this bird got all the right silver pied genes from the white mom but did not get the second we gene from dad.

This is my vote, even if I'm wrong, that which remains "must be" true. Excellent observation

 

[Birdrain92]

I could have swore I read something or I've just been thinking to hard but I believe a Silver Pied can be "created" by breeding a White to a Pied, White Eye. I think it was when I was researching Pied peafowl and I think somebody said if you want to "create" a Pied from scratch you would need to breed a White to an IB= IB split to white and then take that IB split to White and breed it to a white and you have a 50% chance of WE and then breed the WE to a White and then you get a Pied and then breed the Pied with a WE and then breed the Pied WE to a White to create a SP. But of course that would take 8-12 years if you bought the IB and White at breeding age that is and if everything goes theoretically correct otherwise 10-15 years. Not worth trying to get a SP from scratch. I think I was thinking too hard on this but I could have swore that I read the SP was the result of a White and Pied WE breeding. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[AugeredIn]

........But if there is a variant WE gene which results in the silver pied pattern - lots of dilution of color, mostly white, distinctive locations for the dilution... and there seems to be agreement that there needs to be two WE genes to get SP? Then we somehow need to account for the variant WE gene. And also, if there is a variant WE gene responsible for the SP pattern, do there have to be TWO of them present, or would a regular WE plus the variant WE do? And I am assuming the two versions of the WE gene would be alleles, but if it actually represents another gene that hangs around with or turns up in WE birds, then that wouldn't be guaranteed...

Thats the million dollar questions right there!

 

[AugeredIn]

Another thing... could this be another example of a crossover gene, as in peach is a crossover of cameo and purple? I don't understand enough about crossover genes to even know if that is a possibility for the silver pied pattern, but it seems like maybe it could be... Could there be something crossing over in the white/pied/white eye genes that contributes to the SP pattern?

I doubt it. But you never know.

 

[AugeredIn]

I could have swore I read something or I've just been thinking to hard but I believe a Silver Pied can be "created" by breeding a White to a Pied, White Eye. I think it was when I was researching Pied peafowl and I think somebody said if you want to "create" a Pied from scratch you would need to breed a White to an IB= IB split to white and then take that IB split to White and breed it to a white and you have a 50% chance of WE and then breed the WE to a White and then you get a Pied and then breed the Pied with a WE and then breed the Pied WE to a White to create a SP. But of course that would take 8-12 years if you bought the IB and White at breeding age that is and if everything goes theoretically correct otherwise 10-15 years. Not worth trying to get a SP from scratch. I think I was thinking too hard on this but I could have swore that I read the SP was the result of a White and Pied WE breeding. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I used to think you could "create" them. Now I think you need to have a bird from a silver pied breeding to get silver pieds. We have played with this and it seems possible to have Pied White Eye birds that do not throw silver pieds. We have them.

 

[Dany12]

Each parent must bring a gene We! All white peacock don't have a We gene ... only some of them! ex : WWWeWe

And if there were several types of Silver Pied !

 

[Garden Peas]

I could have swore I read something or I've just been thinking to hard but I believe a Silver Pied can be "created" by breeding a White to a Pied, White Eye. I think it was when I was researching Pied peafowl and I think somebody said if you want to "create" a Pied from scratch you would need to breed a White to an IB= IB split to white and then take that IB split to White and breed it to a white and you have a 50% chance of WE and then breed the WE to a White and then you get a Pied and then breed the Pied with a WE and then breed the Pied WE to a White to create a SP. But of course that would take 8-12 years if you bought the IB and White at breeding age that is and if everything goes theoretically correct otherwise 10-15 years. Not worth trying to get a SP from scratch. I think I was thinking too hard on this but I could have swore that I read the SP was the result of a White and Pied WE breeding. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Remember that pied, white and WE are all different genes, and have to be present in the parents in order to express in the offspring. So breeding an IB split white to a white bird won't create WE chicks unless one or both of the parents also had WE genes -- possibly hidden in the white parent -- but have to be there genetically. Likewise, crossing WE with white will not make pied unless one of the parents is carrying a pied gene. So if you have an IB with no leucistic genes, and a white bird (we know it has to be homozygous for white like this WW because it expresses white), then you can't get either pied offspring OR WE offspring, because the necessary genes aren't there. White plus IB does not equal pied or white eye

it just makes splits to white and white birds...

The question of whether a silver pied can be created with the right set of white + pied + 2 WE genes is a little more complicated... apparently it gets down to what is the "right set" of those WE genes

But yes, there's a lot of stuff that's been written, and sorting it out is a bit challenging, and for sure some folks have written that SP's can be created... other people say not so much. I think folks just are doing their best to figure it out, and it ain't easy stuff

You are lucky, you are starting young and growing up with it. Some of us are old and losing brain cells

faster than is helpful for figuring out brain teasers like this one...