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[SunnyDawn]

I wish I could help. The bloody vent may mean she was egg bound. I just don't know very much about chicken diseases. Where's Genny or Vegaschick when we need them? Any body?

 

[VCfeathers]

I'm so sorry for your loss!

I also hope I'm wrong about this diagnosses but it sounds like coccidiosis. Most of the info I found was highly technical and not what you'd want to dig through after a loss, but this definition is pretty straight forward and I've listed some treatments. There are recorded cases where the dehydration that occurs causes small dry eggs to be laid

How to Know When Chickens are Infected?
The most easily recognized clinical sign of severe cecal coccidiosis is the presence of bloody droppings. Dehydration may accompany cecal coccidiosis.
Coccidiosis caused by E. tenella first becomes noticeable at about three days after infection. Chickens droop, stop feeding, huddle together, and by the fourth day, blood begins to appear in the droppings. The greatest amount of blood appears by day five or six, and by the eighth or ninth day, the bird is either dead or on the way to recovery. Mortality is highest between the fourth and sixth days. Death may occur unexpectedly, owing to excessive blood loss. Birds that recover may develop a chronic illness as a result of a persistent cecal core. However, the core usually detaches itself by eight to ten days and is shed in the droppings.


A few good management practices will help control coccidiosis. Contact your veterinarian for full details.

• Anticoccidial drugs mixed in the feed are used to limit high levels of infection.
• Keep chicks, feed and water away from droppings.
• Roost birds over wire netting if brooding arrangements make this possible.
• Place water vessels on wire frames to eliminate a concentration of wet droppings, in which the chicks can walk to pick up or spread the disease.
• Keep litter dry and stirred frequently. Remove wet spots and replace with dry litter.
• Avoid overcrowding.
• If coccidiosis does break out, start treatment immediately.

Well shoot....one of my EE layers died. Her vent was bloody and in the laying box there was a large black poo and an odd, small, dry looking egg. Could she have been egg bound?

The sad part is she hung with another one of my shy girls and I almost missed putting her in tonight because she was waiting for her buddy. I don't know where they go all day but they always come down from the horse pasture and go in after the roo goes to bed. Poor thing didn't want to go in without her friend. I hope she finds another group to join.

 

[stacyandskyler]

Hi everyone,
I haven't been on this site in forever, but I figured I'd pop in to see if anyone had any bantam hatching eggs. My little Cochin/RIR cross I got from Genny is broody, and she makes the sweetest mama hen...I'd love to give her a couple of babies. Thanks in advance for any responses!

*Sunny, the three Easter chicks I picked up from you last year have grown into blue egg laying beauties! Two of them made their way to a girlfriend's house in Spanish Springs where they are spoiled rotten, and I kept the last little girl to add some color to our egg cartons!

~Stacy

 

[SunnyDawn]

I'm so sorry for your loss!

I also hope I'm wrong about this diagnosses but it sounds like coccidiosis. Most of the info I found was highly technical and not what you'd want to dig through after a loss, but this definition is pretty straight forward and I've listed some treatments. There are recorded cases where the dehydration that occurs causes small dry eggs to be laid

How to Know When Chickens are Infected?
The most easily recognized clinical sign of severe cecal coccidiosis is the presence of bloody droppings. Dehydration may accompany cecal coccidiosis.
Coccidiosis caused by E. tenella first becomes noticeable at about three days after infection. Chickens droop, stop feeding, huddle together, and by the fourth day, blood begins to appear in the droppings. The greatest amount of blood appears by day five or six, and by the eighth or ninth day, the bird is either dead or on the way to recovery. Mortality is highest between the fourth and sixth days. Death may occur unexpectedly, owing to excessive blood loss. Birds that recover may develop a chronic illness as a result of a persistent cecal core. However, the core usually detaches itself by eight to ten days and is shed in the droppings.


A few good management practices will help control coccidiosis. Contact your veterinarian for full details.

• Anticoccidial drugs mixed in the feed are used to limit high levels of infection.
• Keep chicks, feed and water away from droppings.
• Roost birds over wire netting if brooding arrangements make this possible.
• Place water vessels on wire frames to eliminate a concentration of wet droppings, in which the chicks can walk to pick up or spread the disease.
• Keep litter dry and stirred frequently. Remove wet spots and replace with dry litter.
• Avoid overcrowding.
• If coccidiosis does break out, start treatment immediately.

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Well we have rehashed this topic so many times I hesitate to do it again but cocci is actually pretty easy to treat and it is preceeded by weight loss, lethargy, etc. Yes they can get dehydrated and yes they can pass blood in the stool but it takes several days with other symptoms showing before that happens. Medicated feed does protect against cocci but it also weakens the immune system so a chicken has a harder time fighting off many other diseases. Chickens fed non-medicated feed as chicks were shown to have much better resistance to many other common chicken illnesses.

If you suspect cocci you need to get the meds and treat the entire flock. Follow the directions carefully. Cocci is more often a problem for young chicks that are suddenly exposed to large amounts of cocci (it is found everywhere in smaller amounts) but a chicken of any age can get it. The tons of rain you have been getting may have caused the cocci to multiply suddenly. They thrive in moist conditions.

Here's info on meds for cocci which can be given once or twice a year. Some folks do this routinely. I give my flock DE as it is supposed to inhibit the parasites ability to live in the digestive tract. If I saw an outbreak in my flock I would not treat with DE however, since it is a preventative measure only. I would treat with one of the meds mentioned here... Oops sorry. I went back to copy off the website link and accidently closed the window before copying the url. But I had copied the meds info which I pasted below. Hope it helps!

"Sulphamethazine (SULMET) is great and Amprolium (CORID) is a good choice if sulphamethazine cannot be found. Whatever you use, get it IMMEDIATELY. Permanent damage is done to the chicks the longer the cocci is left untreated and you will save chicks by not waiting. (Pam they are assuming they are chicks since that is most common)
I have seen chicks survive after having bloody-streaked poops, but the ones showing lethargy and weakness with bloody poops often die. If you can get the Sulmet or Corid to them right away and even drip feed it with an eye dropper if there is a weaker chick.
There is nothing that can be done once the ceca of the chick has been damaged. Usually by the time the symptoms show up, the protozoa has done much damage to the lining of the intestine and dehydration is significant.
Sodium Sulfamethazine comes in a Solution or Powder. On the label it says for Poultry *to control outbreaks of Caecal Coccidiosis, infectious Coryza and secondary bacterial infections associated with outbreaks of diseases like CRD caused by organisms susceptible to sulfa drugs. This also for cattle, calves, sheep and swine for bacterial infections. It gives instructions on the label how to give to poulty. Put it in their water for 2 days, stop for 4, treat for 1 day stop for another 4 then 1 more day.
Amprolium liquid is also given in the water for 5 days straight at one percentage of dilution and then for a continuance of almost 2 weeks at a lesser percentage dose. Treatment can be extended to three weeks.
When treatment has ended there will be a further period of time during which eggs still cannot be consumed, to allow for the medication to leave the birds’ system. If you treat all your birds with Amprol, don’t eat the eggs for at least a week. In Canada, there is no official withdrawal but on the US Amprol site there is a withdrawal period of a week after the 2 week course."


Yes, I have read up quite a bit about the prevention of cocci but have never had an outbreak of it so was not, and am not, comfortable stating this is definitly what your chicken had. It is one possibility and I really think it is important to get your Vets opinion since you could be treating for something that doesn't exist. If you read up on cocci though and are positive that this is the correct diagnosis then you do not need to see the Vet to get the meds. Medications like these are available at our local feed stores so I assume you can get it there just as easily. It could also be worms (different worms than the cocci parasites) and you can also treat that without having to go to the vet. Again DE and dry bedding are great preventative measures. I know, impossible to keep things dry with all the rain.

Good luck!

 

[americanvalkyrie]

Well shoot....one of my EE layers died. Her vent was bloody and in the laying box there was a large black poo and an odd, small, dry looking egg. Could she have been egg bound?

The sad part is she hung with another one of my shy girls and I almost missed putting her in tonight because she was waiting for her buddy. I don't know where they go all day but they always come down from the horse pasture and go in after the roo goes to bed. Poor thing didn't want to go in without her friend. I hope she finds another group to join.

I'm sorry to hear about that. I wonder what it could have been?

I think I had a brush with cocci around September. In the morning I went out to the coop to find blood on 2 of my girls, and a little splash of it on a third. I checked them all for injuries... nothing. I checked for compromises in the coop... nothing. Then I noticed several big piles of bloody poop. I think one had roosted above the others and had dropped it down, and it got on the others. Of course, I freaked out and searched the internet like crazy. This was before I officially joined this site. Most of the diagnoses led to cocci, so I had a friend buy me some Sulmet and rush to my house with it. I treated the water for a few days, and had no more problems. Was it cocci? I don't know. But whatever it was, all my girls are fine now and I haven't seen bloody poop since.

When work gets too full, I really ask for help cleaning, but I agree that nobody does it the way you do. My son is trained to do the bathroom very well, and he has such a good system that he chooses that chore before anyone else can take it. But when I had major surgery a few years ago, I had to restrain myself to my room. Though my husband did a "good enough" job cleaning while I was down, every time I wandered into the kitchen I saw crumbs everywhere and dirty dishes. And then I'd start cleaning... not good so early in recovery.

 

[SunnyDawn]

Hi everyone,
I haven't been on this site in forever, but I figured I'd pop in to see if anyone had any bantam hatching eggs. My little Cochin/RIR cross I got from Genny is broody, and she makes the sweetest mama hen...I'd love to give her a couple of babies. Thanks in advance for any responses!

*Sunny, the three Easter chicks I picked up from you last year have grown into blue egg laying beauties! Two of them made their way to a girlfriend's house in Spanish Springs where they are spoiled rotten, and I kept the last little girl to add some color to our egg cartons!

~Stacy

Awww thanks for giving me an update on them! I'm pretty sure the ones I sold you were pure ameraucanas. EEs usually lay a very green egg and the only roo I had back then was a black ameraucana and I doubt that I hatched any of my EEs eggs. I only hatched the blue ones that came from my ameraucana girls. It is possible they came from two varieties of ams though since I had wheaten and black am girls then.

So how have you been? We miss seeing you on here. I think Genny has a bunch of mille fleur eggs that are fertile. You might want to shoot her an email and see. I think Julie had some bantam chicks for sale so she probably has fertile eggs too. She is Pigtail here on BYC.
Good luck!

 

[NevadaRon]

hahaha!!!

Hey it's only 3 chicks!

LOL!! I thought you had hatched a bunch!

 

[chicharomirinda]

Elizabeth, when did you plant your pumpkin and squash? I need to get on mine in a week or so, maybe sooner, considering we'll probably have an early spring. I'm going to start some early and direct-seed some, and let them have a race.

I planted a couple weeks ago. It may have been too early. I'm going to direct seed the summer squash later.

Well shoot....one of my EE layers died. Her vent was bloody and in the laying box there was a large black poo and an odd, small, dry looking egg. Could she have been egg bound?

The sad part is she hung with another one of my shy girls and I almost missed putting her in tonight because she was waiting for her buddy. I don't know where they go all day but they always come down from the horse pasture and go in after the roo goes to bed. Poor thing didn't want to go in without her friend. I hope she finds another group to join.

Sorry about your loss.

I hope you're able to figure out what happened.

 

[sherylreno]

Pam, I'm so sorry to hear about your little EE and her friend who's still looking for her. I hope you find out soon what it was that did it. Like Sunny said it may or may not be cocci but with all the rain you've been getting it won't surprise me if it was cocci.

Sunny, what great pics. Jokes were good too. Those chicks look so neat with their coloring and all. I just love how precious they looked there.

Missy, I candled the eggs in the incubator and 13 out of the 14 have veins and I was able to see at least 4 of them move around but they didn't look like much at all yet. Just a little dark blob atm but it sure did look a heck of a lot better than the last batch I did. I'm thinking the warmer weather is helping this time. I'm with Pam on the fish smell. I grew up in the fish business in California. The place my dad was in charge of was the best business clean wise. We bleach everything with a high power hose once all the drivers left to deliver their orders. John worked there with my dad. The place went down hill once my dad left and John got out of there just in time but the new place really grossed him out. There was slime all over in the corners and he would complain to them about not being so clean. They didn't care and they closed soon after. People would come and go through the fish cleaning bins and take the heads and bones and stuff home to cook, we let them have it for free. Others went into the trash bins to pick through once we closed. It wasn't pleasant by any means.

Ron, I've never checked my email notifications for BYC, I just let it all go into my junk mail and just come on everyday to check things out.

 

[HighNDryFarm]

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I'm sorry to hear about that. I wonder what it could have been?

I think I had a brush with cocci around September. In the morning I went out to the coop to find blood on 2 of my girls, and a little splash of it on a third. I checked them all for injuries... nothing. I checked for compromises in the coop... nothing. Then I noticed several big piles of bloody poop. I think one had roosted above the others and had dropped it down, and it got on the others. Of course, I freaked out and searched the internet like crazy. This was before I officially joined this site. Most of the diagnoses led to cocci, so I had a friend buy me some Sulmet and rush to my house with it. I treated the water for a few days, and had no more problems. Was it cocci? I don't know. But whatever it was, all my girls are fine now and I haven't seen bloody poop since.

When work gets too full, I really ask for help cleaning, but I agree that nobody does it the way you do. My son is trained to do the bathroom very well, and he has such a good system that he chooses that chore before anyone else can take it. But when I had major surgery a few years ago, I had to restrain myself to my room. Though my husband did a "good enough" job cleaning while I was down, every time I wandered into the kitchen I saw crumbs everywhere and dirty dishes. And then I'd start cleaning... not good so early in recovery.

The poop wasn't bloody, just large and on the eggs, which isn't totally out of line but just noted since my girl was found dead. The only blood was on her feathers right around her vent. From what I'm reading, I think she may have prolapsed.