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Yes, I meant the certificate of veterinary inspection, sorry about that
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Actually, from what I've learned Marek's vaccs are not recommended for small back yard flocks, because of the side affects from the Vacc. and as Cindy said for a back yard flock it isn't cost effective.

That why i don't give the vac to mine, they eat med chick starter for that, if you put an unvac chick with a vac chick, well i went threw that and that's when i dug deeper into it, the vac is actually and virus so the unvac chick can get sick, and the vac chicks there immune system is way weaker than normal for about 2 weeks .

Medicated chick starter does not prevent or treat for Mareks. It's primary intention is prevention of coccidiosis.

From the Merck Vet Manual (http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/203602.htm):
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Vaccination is the central strategy for the prevention and control of Marek’s disease. The efficacy of vaccines can be improved, however, by strict sanitation to reduce or delay exposure and by breeding for genetic resistance. Probably the most widely used vaccine consists of turkey herpesvirus. Bivalent vaccines consisting of turkey herpesvirus and either the SB-1 or 301B/1 strains of serotype 2 Marek’s disease virus have been used to provide additional protection against challenge with virulent serotype 1 isolates. Several attenuated serotype 1 Marek’s disease vaccines are also available; of these, the CV1988/Rispens strains appears particularly effective. A synergistic effect on protection, noted mainly between serotype 2 and 3 strains, has prompted the empirical use of other virus mixtures. Because vaccines are administered at hatching and require 1-2 wk to produce an effective immunity, exposure of chickens to virus should be minimized during the first few days after hatching. Vaccines are also effective when administered to embryos at the 18th day of incubation. In ovo vaccination is now performed by automated technology and is widely used for vaccination of commercial broiler chickens, mainly because of reduced labor costs and greater precision of vaccine administration. Proper handling of vaccine during thawing and reconstitution is crucial to ensure that adequate doses are administered. Cell-associated vaccines are generally more effective than cell-free vaccines because they are neutralized less by maternal antibodies. Under typical conditions, vaccine efficacy is usually >90%. Since the advent of vaccination, losses from Marek’s disease have been reduced dramatically in broiler and layer flocks. However, disease may become a serious problem in individual flocks or in selected geographic areas (eg, the Delmarva broiler industry). Of the many causes proposed for these excessive losses, early exposure to very virulent virus strains appears to be among the most important. Using fowlpox virus and herpesvirus of turkeys as vectors, experimental recombinant vaccines have been shown to be effective against challenge with virulent Marek’s disease virus.​
 
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That why i don't give the vac to mine, they eat med chick starter for that, if you put an unvac chick with a vac chick, well i went threw that and that's when i dug deeper into it, the vac is actually and virus so the unvac chick can get sick, and the vac chicks there immune system is way weaker than normal for about 2 weeks .

Medicated chick starter does not prevent or treat for Mareks. It's primary intention is prevention of coccidiosis.

From the Merck Vet Manual (http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/203602.htm):
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Vaccination is the central strategy for the prevention and control of Marek’s disease. The efficacy of vaccines can be improved, however, by strict sanitation to reduce or delay exposure and by breeding for genetic resistance. Probably the most widely used vaccine consists of turkey herpesvirus. Bivalent vaccines consisting of turkey herpesvirus and either the SB-1 or 301B/1 strains of serotype 2 Marek’s disease virus have been used to provide additional protection against challenge with virulent serotype 1 isolates. Several attenuated serotype 1 Marek’s disease vaccines are also available; of these, the CV1988/Rispens strains appears particularly effective. A synergistic effect on protection, noted mainly between serotype 2 and 3 strains, has prompted the empirical use of other virus mixtures. Because vaccines are administered at hatching and require 1-2 wk to produce an effective immunity, exposure of chickens to virus should be minimized during the first few days after hatching. Vaccines are also effective when administered to embryos at the 18th day of incubation. In ovo vaccination is now performed by automated technology and is widely used for vaccination of commercial broiler chickens, mainly because of reduced labor costs and greater precision of vaccine administration. Proper handling of vaccine during thawing and reconstitution is crucial to ensure that adequate doses are administered. Cell-associated vaccines are generally more effective than cell-free vaccines because they are neutralized less by maternal antibodies. Under typical conditions, vaccine efficacy is usually >90%. Since the advent of vaccination, losses from Marek’s disease have been reduced dramatically in broiler and layer flocks. However, disease may become a serious problem in individual flocks or in selected geographic areas (eg, the Delmarva broiler industry). Of the many causes proposed for these excessive losses, early exposure to very virulent virus strains appears to be among the most important. Using fowlpox virus and herpesvirus of turkeys as vectors, experimental recombinant vaccines have been shown to be effective against challenge with virulent Marek’s disease virus.

Yes i know that, I had already agreed on that one, the med starter is for cocci, and if you get your vac for cocci you shuld not put them on the med chick starter, what i was saying is i stay away from the vacs, i had a lot vacs last yaer and ended up with a lot of promblems, i did not knwo at that time that the merek vac weakend there imune system for the first 2 weeks, and that teh vacs one should be sperated from those they were not vacs for 2 weeks.
 
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Birds of any age can come down with mareks; it is more common in young birds than in older ones, but still occurs.

Yes, and there is more than one form. The usual one that causes paralysis, and there is also a tumor form.

But back on topic, I think Laura has a point in trying to change the law requiring a vet certificate for older birds. It affects the show people, and it would also affect anyone from out of state wanting to bring birds 5 months old and up to a swap.
 
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Birds of any age can come down with mareks; it is more common in young birds than in older ones, but still occurs.

What i learned after a lot alot of research is it rarely happens in adult birds, it usally starts in chicks, but yea if you get a chick that gets it then yep it can be passed on to any bird,.
But what i was really reffering to is they dont give the adults the vaccination becouse it is useless to them. If the adult was to have mereks, it would have shown at a younger age. unless i am missing something, which is very possible with me.
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i will check at that link you posted. thanks.
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Birds of any age can come down with mareks; it is more common in young birds than in older ones, but still occurs.

Yes, and there is more than one form. The usual one that causes paralysis, and there is also a tumor form.

But back on topic, I think Laura has a point in trying to change the law requiring a vet certificate for older birds. It affects the show people, and it would also affect anyone wanting to bring slightly older birds to a swap.

Yep there is the mereks of the eyes.
and you are right, back on topic.
 
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I am getting tired of posting this (I started posting this a year ago, and this will be the last time.... I'm sticking with selling plants... it's less painful), and I can't believe the state is ignoring their own RSA's. Why change a law when it is already in place.

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here are the laws AND the Exceptions for NH

437:15 Sale or Gift of Small Quantities. – Chicks, ducklings, goslings, and rabbits younger than 4 weeks of age shall not be sold or offered for sale; raffled; or offered or given as a prize, premium, or advertising device, in quantity of less than 12 birds or animals to an individual person.
Source. 1985, 72:1, eff. July 1, 1985.

437:7 Exception. – The license provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to breeders of dogs licensed under the provisions of RSA 466:6; veterinarians; owners and operators of horse riding stables; and auctioneers, breeders or keepers of farm livestock.
Source. 1985, 72:1, eff. July 1, 1985.


I don't have the time to go to the state, but someone may want to bring this to their attention.

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Just stick to trying to change the 12 chick rule.If you ask to many questions you are going to open up an even bigger can of worms that nobody will want a part of.It's bad enough the state is involved to start with.Let's not have them try to change to much.
In N.H.,Tony.
 
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Tony,
My point is, why change anything.... the law is already there? The state needs to better interpret the laws they have, not modify or create new ones. There are already too many laws on the books, God help us if they start looking back at old laws that have been on the books but not enforced.
 
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This is where it gets sticky chickens are not concidered livestock nor pets. being concidrered food product it doesnt cover our swaps and such
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