new research debunks trad views on nutrition

[My Very First 6 Chickens]

Well, I am not a nutritionist, but I am a Registered Nurse (non-active). There are many reasons patients get drinks like Ensure. There are many different types of supplemental drinks used to treat individual needs of the patient.

It's a more complicated issue than I think the nutritionist is addressing. Yes, food is the first medicine, and we would all do better eating quality natural food. However, many patients I have cared for cannot eat, or process, natural food.

FWIW, in Nursing School, we had to drink some of those adult supplements that we give to our patients. I even drank some Pedialyte that we give to kids. Most of my patients did not get those drink supplements, but if a doctor ordered them, there was always a good reason. I was OK with that.

Having said all that, I always felt that we learned very little about nutrition in Nursing School. Just the bare minimum to get through the NCLEX testing. Should we know more about nutrition, I think so. But, in reality, the patients we care for temporarily in the hospital need specific care for immediate needs. Good nutrition is a longer strategy for a healthy life. That was not usually my concern for a patient on a day-to-day care basis.

There are numerous clean supplemental drinks on the market nowadays. I know because I have done tons of research for my own supplemental needs. If I am in the hospital for even an elective surgery, during my stay in the hospital, if I asked for a carbonated beverage to help my sick stomach, or a protein drink, or a yogurt,,,,,,my choice would all have high fructose corn syrup. Healing to me begins the second the procedure is done or the hospitalization begins (obvious exceptions here). At least have choices. Hearing a nurse say that good nutrition is a longer strategy for a healthy life rather than a day to day concern is a concern in itself. I understand the priorities that nurses must make but doesnt it seem counterproductive to have a job helping people get better but also handing them poisons at the same time? Sorry Gtaus, didnt mean to make it seem like I'm berating you or whatever. many of my friends are nurses and the struggle is real. They have bills to pay and families to raise. Just sayin' that the cleaner options for foods we eat while recovering should at least be available. <3

 

[gtaus]

My experience working in a hospital: Very rarely do staff eat the hospital food.

I always ate the hospital food on my breaks. We had good food.

If someone you love is in the hospital and they can eat......Bring them fresh, clean food.

Ask the attending staff first. You don't know what the patient can handle, and the staff might not be able to tell you, depending on your relationship with the patient. There is patient privacy even from family members. You might not be aware of the immediate concerns. So, please, ask first.

Hearing a nurse say that good nutrition is a longer strategy for a healthy life rather than a day to day concern is a concern in itself.

Sometimes my only concern was to get the patient through to the next shift still alive. I don't want to sound so dramatic, but sometimes you focus only on the next few hours of care.

I understand the priorities that nurses must make but doesnt it seem counterproductive to have a job helping people get better but also handing them poisons at the same time?

That's too far. I'll just have to disagree. You are entitled to your views.

Sorry Gtaus, didnt mean to make it seem like I'm berating you or whatever.

It's all good. It's just a friendly conversation on a chicken forum. We can disagree and still be agreeable to each other's viewpoints.

 

[Shadrach]

Same with Drs, but there's so much to learn and it's constantly updating. You all would be studying every day for the rest of your career.

I don't think it need be that complicated.
Most of the studies on food find out to the amazement of some that there are toxins/particles and poisons in out food. Some of us had already worked this out. You can't discharge waste into the rivers and slurry from the fields without it leaching into the surroundings. It's the same with the air we breathe and has been for years. Most of the media reporting of the food studies and depending on who is financing and pushing the study, most of the studies themselves, have been looking for bad stuff in the food. There's good stuff in the food to. If I went by the more recent bout of hysterical reporting on toxins in food I would have to stop eating altogether. Our biology has the abiltiy to handle many of these poisons; it's the amount over time that's the major problem usually.
Very little new information on nutrition has much of a bearing on the realities of feeding oneself. It's no good telling me out of 10000 cabbages they found 80% had this and that chemical in them without also stating what the current recommended limit is and how much above that limit poses a definite health problem and exactly how much of a health problem.
We know what the average person at a particular wieght and age should have in their diet to maxinize the chances of being healthy. None of that information is difficult to grasp. There are of course differing requirements for differing individuals and we have to learn these for ourselves.

I know what is decidedly bad for me over a certain amount and the rest is a matter of having the willpower not to eat it.
Lots of people blame the governemnt on the one hand but would scream blue murder if the government made selling/eating certain things illegal or set up a department to monitor what is in the food more thoroughly. Such a department would be vast, soak up billions of pounds and be hated by everyone.

As a more positive outlook some bunch of scientists have found that a particular enzyme I think has learn't how to eat the micro plastics we've thrown about everywhere. I can't find the report.

 

[My Very First 6 Chickens]

I always ate the hospital food on my breaks. We had good food.



Ask the attending staff first. You don't know what the patient can handle, and the staff might not be able to tell you, depending on your relationship with the patient. There is patient privacy even from family members. You might not be aware of the immediate concerns. So, please, ask first.



Sometimes my only concern was to get the patient through to the next shift still alive. I don't want to sound so dramatic, but sometimes you focus only on the next few hours of care.



That's too far. I'll just have to disagree. You are entitled to your views.



It's all good. It's just a friendly conversation on a chicken forum. We can disagree and still be agreeable to each other's viewpoints.

Just interesting topics to discuss! Nurses have the toughest jobs thats for sure. Thank you to all nurses!

 

[Shadrach]

Look what I found!
No dangerous preservatives. No sunflower or rapeseed oil which is usaually what's in these pastes. It even tastes good.

 

[Down Under]

No dangerous preservatives.
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only if you are not allergic to penicillin mate. Citric Acid is in almost everything now days and is produced using mold. A lot of people allergic to penicillin also don't know about Xanthan Gum E415 being produced using mold.

 

[Perris]

mold

there are many thousands of known moulds in the world, and most of them are harmless or useful. Bread and beer are made using moulds too, for example.
eta citric acid is made using aspergillus not penicillin.

 

[Down Under]

there are many thousands of known moulds in the world, and most of them are harmless or useful. Bread and beer are made using moulds too, for example.

Yes but reactions to Citric Acid and Xanthan Gum are more common in people with Penicillin allergies. This maybe because although yeast is of the same family as mold but it has a different structure.

 

[Perris]

speculative sweeping generalisations help no-one. Here's a website with some solid info on the kingdom - 'families' are a very long way down the classification hierarchy - of the funga

https://www.ffungi.org/

 

[Perris]

in particular, see this page
https://www.ffungi.org/why-fungi/food-and-drink