New Yorker gets in trouble for defending family

[nonseq]

http://blog.ryjones.org/2009/03/31/while-i-agree-with-the-goal/

I remember seeing years ago something on how to make an AK47 fully automatic, but I can't find it now.

ETA: There ia a ton of interesting info on guns. hmmmm

Now I need to think a bit more about the use of an AK47 for home defense. However, I still think that guy acted stupidly.

 

[Sillystunt]

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[PineappleMama]

Okay educate the gun moron here... AK-47 only fires singles, always?

If so, then this guy didn't fire a warning shot, he fired four separate times?

Seems to me that's a waste... one would let them know Hey It's Loaded and I'll Use It... why four then?
I just assumed (and yes every darn time I look a fool) that he just hit the trigger once but four came out.

Purposely firing four doesn't make this seem better to me... ESPECIALLY if there really were 20-25 of them... why would you waste ammo that you very well might need?

Of course my ignorance of this gun also includes having no idea what the clip holds... maybe it holds 50 rounds so four is peanuts??

Overall I still think the guy should have NOT fired. Shown the gun, held it ready (aiming at chest level), would have been plenty IMHO. If they continued to advance THEN open fire. Justifiable homicide. If they back off, don't fire. Easy peasy. Cops come they run off like the roaches they are, you aren't in trouble for firing a gun in a neighborhood. All's well.

Just seems a bit hasty to fire, much less to fire four, for several reasons. And when it comes to guns hasty is NOT the word you want to hear. Hasty is the goob that shoots himself, his brother, etc. May be legal for that goob to have a gun, doesn't mean he should.

Edit... watched that video... he says it was five, then after they taunted him the others "like 20" came running ...must have been some loud taunting for them to think their crew needed backup, I doubt this part. I think that he fired and THEN backup came... MUCH more plausible.

But, that's all besides the point. What they've charged him with, as the attorney says, requires a blatant disregard for human life... IE opening fire INTO the crowd... that's not what he did at all. He did NOT fire AT them, but purposely away from them. They have no case against this man... at least not on these charges. But, that doesn't mean at some point they won't change the charges to something else. Had to google that gang name... primarily made up of Central Americans, but they ARE active in urban and suburban areas... anyone have any info on the thugs involved? If it turns out they were a bunch of white guys, OR a bunch of black guys then this fella is really gonna look dumb for claiming that particular one.

Overall, think he acted a bit hasty... I wouldn't do it (if I was in my right mind)... but he didn't harm anyone, didn't intend to harm anyone, and I think that the ACTUAL results of the situation should matter... not just the maybes... so I think it ought to be left at that.

 

[nonseq]

Hasty would also include this doofus......http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/10/boys_dies_in_sh.html

 

[PineappleMama]

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If you know a weapon has that much recoil (donno if it does or not, but based on what they say happened) why in the WORLD would you hand it to a child?

That dad's going to have a hard time living with that one I bet.

 

[welsummerchicks]

NRA publishes all sorts of propoganda about how it's ok to defend yourself. The law is a wee bit more complicated than they let on.

Nothing factual in the article linked to. I remain unconvinced.

Thing is, before a person defends themselves they need to consider that they may not have been 100% correctly informed about how the law works.

You don't like the law? Get it changed. Til it changes, it's still the law. Expect consequences.

I would only act after understanding the law in my community/state and knowing how a LOT of cases went. Cases go very, very different in different states.

We saw a case on In Session, that the jury was out 2 hr about whether it was self defense. Commendator said in another state exact same case would be out three weeks and would have gone the other way. Know your state and community laws and how cases go and what circumstances affect the out come of the case, before deciding what you're 'entitled to'. There's an awful lot of misinformation going around.

Guy I know got seven years for shooting/killing someone who robbed him in the street. He forgot one thing. Once he walked away to get his gun and came back, it's no longer self defense.

Myself, I don't consider myself to be judge and jury, but if someone used deadly force on one of my loved ones, oh well, I don't care the consequences, just tell your mama to lay out your grey suit because you're going home.

Too, people tend to just scream and yell about how 'bad' the courts are without undertstanding how the proces works. Knowledge and information explains a lot.

 

[mom'sfolly]

I read the actual news reports. It sounded like it was an unliscensed gun....that will get you into big trouble in NY.

 

[nonseq]

My DH was an NRA member. We used to get American Rifleman magazine. There was section that was just stories of how Granny got her gun and shot the bad guys in every issue. The writing was so over the top. It was groan worthy.

Anyway, Wyatt Earp cleaned up Dodge City by banning guns. We have one of the highest crime rates of all industrialized nations, and we have the highest percentage of population in prison. And the loosest gun laws.


And too many doofuses waving their weapons.

 

[Boyd]

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The one you posted was actually a wordpress blog if I'm not mistaken.. What I cited I watched on fox (which is PRO GUN and CASTLE doctrine) waiting to see what our wonderful commandeer in chief (of bagels) had to say.

 

[Q9]

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The one you posted was actually a wordpress blog if I'm not mistaken.. What I cited I watched on fox (which is PRO GUN and CASTLE doctrine) waiting to see what our wonderful commandeer in chief (of bagels) had to say.

Yeah, I know. I just want some hard facts that say otherwise. Everything that I've looked at says that he got the gun, 20 more guys came, and THEN he fired the shots.