No Nonsense, chickens are livestock, advise. Tell me like it is.

[chickened]

So what exactly is the point of this thread?

 

[zrossk]

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Except for the chicken nipples, but only because I've never tried them so I can't agree or disagree on their merits.

Really, you should raise them cold and dirty? Why? And why not use medicated feed? And why let the water set? Is this true or are you just trying to troll me?

 

[galanie]

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Except for the chicken nipples, but only because I've never tried them so I can't agree or disagree on their merits.

Really, you should raise them cold and dirty? Why? And why not use medicated feed? And why let the water set? Is this true or are you just trying to troll me?

No, he's serious. Because they need to be exposed to this stuff to have any immunity to it. I think you've never been to a forum that was pretty much troll free. Lighten up on that some

 

[zrossk]

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Really, you should raise them cold and dirty? Why? And why not use medicated feed? And why let the water set? Is this true or are you just trying to troll me?

No, he's serious. Because they need to be exposed to this stuff to have any immunity to it. I think you've never been to a forum that was pretty much troll free. Lighten up on that some

Yea, honsetly this is the first forum i have seen troll free. I want to kinda pamper my chickens when i get them and not a lot of people agree with me on that so they might try and troll me. Anyway couldn't you loose a lot of chickens to disease and sickness that way?

 

[galanie]

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No, he's serious. Because they need to be exposed to this stuff to have any immunity to it. I think you've never been to a forum that was pretty much troll free. Lighten up on that some

Yea, honsetly this is the first forum i have seen troll free. I want to kinda pamper my chickens when i get them and not a lot of people agree with me on that so they might try and troll me. Anyway couldn't you loose a lot of chickens to disease and sickness that way?

You could if you had them in sterile environments then suddenly pitched them out in an area known to have certain diseases. But if you want to pamper them then go ahead! This thread is for those with a more practical turn of mind so just take what you like and leave the rest, as they say in certain places. We get to read a lot about scary chicken diseases and for some they are a reality. But really, just like the crime report on the news, there isn't that much when you think of the numbers of chickens there are in general.

Keep in mind when the poster said to raise them dirty he didn't mean ankle deep in their own manure or in hip deep mud. Just that it doesn't have to be OCD clean.

 

[bobbi-j]

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Really, you should raise them cold and dirty? Why? And why not use medicated feed? And why let the water set? Is this true or are you just trying to troll me?

No, he's serious. Because they need to be exposed to this stuff to have any immunity to it. I think you've never been to a forum that was pretty much troll free. Lighten up on that some

That's exactly it. If they're pampered too much, they aren't as likely to build an immunity to things. The over-use of antibiotics causes the organisms that they are supposed to fight to become immune to them. If the antibiotics aren't able to do their job, more powerful ones are needed to do the same job. Right now, doctors are having a hard time keeping up with anitbiotic-immune organisms that people have. (Are you wtih me so far?

) I think I can safely say that Wyododge was not saying "Don't give them light, don't give them heat, and certainly keep them filthy" They need to have a heat lamp until they're fully feathered. After that, shut it off. Especially in the winter. Chickens have their own down coats and are perfectly capable of keeping warm if they're in a draft-free place. If they have supplemental heat in the winter, they aren't able to acclimate to the cold - their bodies don't tell them to grow enough down to keep warm. So, you keep your chicken coop at 45*, day and night. Your chickens are used to that. You get a snow storm, it's -20 degrees, and your electricity. Guess what? Your poor chickens will probably die. You've killed them with kindness. "Raise them dirty" - does not mean throw them in a puddle or rub them with dirt. It means that they will take dust baths (kind of entertaining to watch), they will go out in the mud and your feather-footed varieties will get mud on their foot feathers. Probably even on the rest of their bodies, too. They will get poop on their feet. Chickens are not clean animals. WHEN (not if) they get muddy or dirty, you do NOT need to get in a dither and bathe them. Especially in the winter. You will get them cold, wet, they may not be completely dry before you put them out and there again, you'll have killed them with kindness. Letting the water set also exposes them to beneficial bacteria.

 

[bobbi-j]

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Yea, honsetly this is the first forum i have seen troll free. I want to kinda pamper my chickens when i get them and not a lot of people agree with me on that so they might try and troll me.

Anyway couldn't you loose a lot of chickens to disease and sickness that way?

You could if you had them in sterile environments then suddenly pitched them out in an area known to have certain diseases. But if you want to pamper them then go ahead! This thread is for those with a more practical turn of mind so just take what you like and leave the rest, as they say in certain places. We get to read a lot about scary chicken diseases and for some they are a reality. But really, just like the crime report on the news, there isn't that much when you think of the numbers of chickens there are in general.

Keep in mind when the poster said to raise them dirty he didn't mean ankle deep in their own manure or in hip deep mud. Just that it doesn't have to be OCD clean.​

Far more well-said than my novel.

 

[zrossk]

Thank you for your help.

 

[kathyinmo]

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I can agree and disagree on this one depending on how one takes it... I will give my $.02 (for what it's worth)

A BAD rooster (to me) does NOT mean a rooster that will "challenge" the flock owner or chase a child.... Roosters are for fertility and protection... If he is challenging or attacking you, he is protecting his girls in the only way he knows how.. WE don't see ourselves as a threat but it only takes one wrong move from us for a rooster to THINK we are.. As for children.. Children and roosters do not go well together, PERIOD! I just shake my head when I see a post saying, "My child was playing in the backyard and I ran out of the house to find my rooster attacking him/her!".. I have a 12 yr old son and he is NEVER allowed in the pens/coops without ME! If he goes in there and gets attacked, it's HIS fault, not the roosters! I feel the same about dogs for very young children..

A BAD rooster is one that takes all the food before the girls can get any... He does not warn them when there is a predator.. He does not PROTECT his flock the way he should...

I had a delaware rooster that I absolutely loved.. He was an absolute sweetheart to me as I hatched him out myself... I ended up giving him to a friend of mine because in my mind, HE was a "bad" rooster... My husband's production red roo on the other hand, he and I have gone round many times before and if I am not on my guard when I enter the run, he WILL attack my leg... I've often joked that hes going to end up in the pot one day... However, he is a GOOD rooster because he is an AWESOME alarm when hawks, dogs or UPS are anywhere NEAR the yard....


Goddess

I guess everyone has different thoughts on this. I totally disagree with your definitions of a good and bad rooster. Personally, I will never have a mean rooster. NEVER. My children and grandchildren all go into the pens and coops. I will not allow a mean rooster to change that. My advice...
NEVER KEEP A MEAN ROOSTER, for any reason!

 

[wsmith]

I'm not a fan of mean roosters either.

As a kid, we had an Araucana roo who was downright nasty. It didn't matter if there were hens around or not, he would attack. He would even attempt to attack through the fence. Unless he was breeding, he was in his own solitary confinement pen. Dad loved this guy for some reason. Dad finally sold him in 1978 for $50.00. I was SO happy when he went away.

Now a protective rooster is another thing, but I am top roo, and he better know it. If he doesn't figure it out quickly, he doesn't last long. (nice, slow-cooked rooster and dumplings!)

We had a HUGE Barred Rock rooster that was protective, but wouldn't attack a human. He would get all "cocky" when he was around his favorite hens, and would do feint runs at you if he felt they were threatened, but that was it. He was a good roo.