North Carolina ban to Kill Numerous Breeds

[ChickenWisperer]

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I'm sorry but I couldn't help but to disagree more...I wouldn't call a whole 17 attacks in a year often given how many "pits" - which encompass more than just one breed and every mix under the sun - there are. I am not a pit bull owner. I have never been a pit bull owner.

As stated many times over, they have been bred for dog aggression. Not human aggression. I don't think it would bode well for the people who fight them if they had been. If you don't feel safe because there are pits and bully breeds out there, then I honestly don't know what to say without sounding hateful. There are much bigger, much more human-aggressive breeds out there.

I am far more scared of GSDs than I am of pits. Living across the street from a K-9 police handler for 8 years let me see just how powerful that dog, and the Malinois he also owned, were. The GSD did bite someone without command or provocation, and while I wasn't there to see it the man was given stitches. Does that make me afraid of GSD's? No. My cousins Malamute Kemo, which was chained in the yard, bit him. Am I scared of Malamutes? No. The point is that even though I may have one bad experience with a breed, it doesn't give me reason to have fear of a breed.

Fear should be dealt out when you see an individually dangerous dog. One that acts shy, nervous, territorial, or downright aggressive. When a dog snaps or growls at you, be afraid. When you see a dog lunging for you, be afraid. If an individual dog bites or mauls someone, be afraid. When you see a "bully" walking down the street in his own space, minding his owner or simply smelling the roses, while acting like a well adjusted and stable dog should - you shouldn't be afraid.

Any person should know that you should be afraid of an individual and not general mass. What is slowly happening is just like racism, only worse because those being persecuted have no voice and can't fight back.

A dog the size of a bully or larger has the capability to hurt or kill you. That's just how it is.

That 17 are kills, not just attacks

Sorry, kills. Even still, that's not many compared to how many there should be looking at all of the illogical fears surrounding the breeds (or, rather, if those illogical fears were true).

 

[deerman]

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ok number of all pits then number of all GSD, labs,chow, and dob...just those 4 breeds would out number the pits my guess about 4 times, yet those 4 breeds count for less than a 1/3 of the kills...so with that thinking pits, kill % per dog would be alot higher than the total of those 4 breeds.

 

[deerman]

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That 17 are kills, not just attacks

Sorry, kills. Even still, that's not many compared to how many there should be looking at all of the illogical fears surrounding the breeds (or, rather, if those illogical fears were true).

Its not the fear of the dog....its the fear of the owner not accepting the fact pit attacks are more dangerous than any other breed. Then not controling them. there the problem

Myself i see the owner trusting this breed more than other. like some of these post.

One thing this thread has done for me .I see not why more people are kill my pits than any other breed,

Its done one thing for me.......I'm really to join BAN THE PIT SIDE.

 

[deerman]

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That 17 are kills, not just attacks

Sorry, kills. Even still, that's not many compared to how many there should be looking at all of the illogical fears surrounding the breeds (or, rather, if those illogical fears were true).

Unless one of the 17 was a loved one....SORRY ONE IS TO MANY

 

[deerman]

I'm done will this thread....thank now i understand why people need to banned the pit bull......people can't accept how dangerous they are even with 30 years of records.

Supporting the ban now.....

AL i'm with you.......

 

[RHRanch]

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Go ahead, support the ban, its your prerogative. But this is a slippery slope, First they ban pits, then Danes, then GSD's, then Rotts, then Dalmations, then Labs... Where will it end? When no one can have a dog because it might bite someones childs face causing permanent disfigurement? There go the toys too, if safety is the real concern, they have to go... No more Doxies, no more poodles, no Chiuahuas... They commonly bite children on the face, hurt more kids that way than all pit attacks...

 

[ChickenWisperer]

It's sad when anything looses its life, but - ahem - stuff happens. If pointing fingers is what you want, then point at yourself... humans created bully breeds. The dogs shouldn't be punished for being what they are.

Every dog is dangerous in the right situation. Some INDIVIDUAL dogs are dangerous all the time.

 

[dainerra]

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Go ahead, support the ban, its your prerogative. But this is a slippery slope, First they ban pits, then Danes, then GSD's, then Rotts, then Dalmations, then Labs... Where will it end? When no one can have a dog because it might bite someones childs face causing permanent disfigurement? There go the toys too, if safety is the real concern, they have to go... No more Doxies, no more poodles, no Chiuahuas... They commonly bite children on the face, hurt more kids that way than all pit attacks...

this is the thing to remember. I have very RARELY met a GSD person who supports breed bans. Why? because GSDs are right up there with the pit in banned breed lists, most breed bans are pit and gsd. Many insurance companies won't cover you if you own a GSD, just as many as won't cover a pit. Many communities are adding GSD breed bans all the time. Public image of the GSD makes the pit look like an angel in most areas. So are Rotties, with Dobes making a run as well. Once the pit is gone, then they will move on to another dog. Or perhaps back to the GSD?
Apartment hunting in Naples FL I ran across the stupidest breed ban EVER. They didn't allow any dog with pointy ears or any dog with black/tan markings. Why? Because GSDs have pointy ears and Rotties are black and tan so any dog with those characteristics MIGHT have some of that blood in him. The woman told me that "only rottweilers are black and tan" so I called her an idiot and emailed her a picture of a coonhound

Have you ever heard of anyone using a pit for police work? Nope. Why? because even when ordered to attack, they don't have the genetic makeup to do it. Sure, there are individuals that might, but as a whole the breed is worthless for that. Do you know what pits ARE most commonly used in? Therapy work, with the breed having the highest pass rate of the temperament test of ANY breed. They are also used in SAR and as drug detection dogs. Why? because of that terrier tenacity to never give up and to ignore pain to do their jobs. It makes them ideal for working in the field.


No one has EVER said that pits don't attack people. People get bitten by dogs all the time. But when other factors are added in, the human equation trumps the dog equation EVERY SINGLE TIME. Small children left alone with a dog? Chained dogs? Badly bred dogs? Roaming dogs? All those equate to owners who don't have knowledge to own ANY dog, let alone one with a bad reputation. So why do they own pits? Because the news tells them that these are big vicious dogs and every drug dealer owns one.
so, lets see what we have.
badly bred dog = one more likely to have incorrect or unstable temperament
chained dog = dogs more likely to bite anyway
untrained dog = not socialized and doesn't know how to act anyway
roaming dog = often packs up with other dogs and views the whole neighborhood as it's property
unsupervised children = kids are weird to dogs. They run and scream and act like prey animals. Babies are even worse.

So, why are the pits so far ahead in the polls? because for the last several years, pit ownership has been surging. There are an estimated 4-6 million pits in America, not counting mixes or breeds commonly mistaken for pits. In 2004, the AKC registered 46,000 GSDs, making it the 3rd most popular breed. So, Pits are looking to outnumber GSDs as a factor of a thousand pits to every GSD, maybe even more. Hmm, I have no idea why there might be more pit attacks than GSDs. From the bite numbers posted, you are WAY more likely to get bit by your neighbor's GSD than his pitbull.
Basic math you have 16 fatalities for 4 million pit bulls, 3 for 1 million GSDs (and I'm being very generous with that estimate). That comes to 1 person for every million dogs. OMG, the exact same amount!!! Again, I say more likely because no one really knows how many of those "pit bull" attacks were actually by pit bulls.

Also, did you ever take the "guess the pit" test that has been posted several times in this thread? Any dog that bites is assumed to be a pit, whether it's a boxer, a lab mix or a ???? When I lived in Orlando, you would see "pit attack" news stories all the time (mid-late 90s). When they did show the dog, it often wasn't a pit. Any dog with a blocky head was labeled a pit. Why? because all the media hype puts that idea into people's head "oh if it bit, it must be a pit."

So, nope, as an owner of a GSD, you'll never see me supporting the ban of any breed. Why? because my dogs are right there on the bite lists and on the ban lists with the pits. My dogs have a horrible reputation as it is and only education of the public is going to fix the dog bite problem.

 

[carolinagirl58]

Excellent post, dainerra. I don't think many people actually took that "find the pit bull" test (http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html) or read what I wrote about all the bully breed mixes out there. Whenever there is a dog bite, the media is FAST to label the offender as a Pit bull, no matter what breed or cross of breeds it really is. So the statistics are very inaccurate. Pit Bulls are not the only stocky dogs out there. There are dozens and dozens of others, some that WERE bred for human aggression. But the poor Pit Bull get blamed for ALL stocky dog aggression.

I think one of the biggest misconseption about Pits is that they are great guard dogs. Actually they are good WATCH dogs.......but so is my 3 pound chihuahua. Guard dogs will bite an intruder and watch dogs will just alert. When they aren't sleeping, that is. If Bailey is awake, she will charge off of the porch barking her head off. But it's all an act......she is a baby doll. Her favorite thing is barking at the UPS driver. That because when he stops, she jumps up in his truck to get her treats. Usually she sleep too soundly to be bother by intruders. Great guard dog, isn't she?

Here's Bailey....doing what she does best.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

A breed ban on pitbulls recently got turned down in my local area.

Reasons cited were people not being able to correctly ID pits and other breeds, studies demonstrating the lack of any positive effect involving dog attacks in relation to BSL, problems with enforcement/who the law actually effects/etc. Laws and education aimed at dogs more likely to bite (chained outside/not pets, unaltered, etc), and existing laws covering any aggressive individual animal were found to be more effective. So instead of BSL, we upped the fines and penalties for owning any dog that is found to be aggressive. Looking at what groups support BSL was...enlightening.