North Carolina ban to Kill Numerous Breeds

[ChickenfootDuckbutt]

Need I remind everyone that wild and DOMESTIC white tailed deer (bucks and does alike) kill MORE people on a yearly basis than ANY kind of dog

from what I read, THIS year alone, 147 people were killed by deer

compared to something like 15-20 fatal dog bites a year WORLD wide???


so should we completely irradicate deer?, why not? they're dangerous, kill em',

so people who basically single out the pit from EVERY other breed, well why not kill off all the other terrier breeds?, your cute little cairn terriers, jack russels, and all other high strung breeds?, or dalmations?, who tend to snap when they get older, or collies?, who also tend to get fickle and aggressive when they age?


doesn't make sense to me

 

[carolinagirl58]

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I think most of the deer-related deaths were due to car/deer accidents, not deer attacks.

 

[ChickenfootDuckbutt]

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I think most of the deer-related deaths were due to car/deer accidents, not deer attacks.

No, this was specifically deer ATTACKS, no just car accidents, actual attacks,

the thing I read said that deer ATTACKS when from around 130 each year to up to 147 in 2011 alone, deer attacks are on the rise.

 

[carolinagirl58]

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I think most of the deer-related deaths were due to car/deer accidents, not deer attacks.

no, it said flat out attacks, on and off the rut, not car accidents, actual attacks BY the deer to people.

I'd be interested in seeing that report. I have looked and looked on google and the only numbers I can find are close to the same number you have, but it sayd these were car/deer accidents. Deer do kill a few people a year, but its not that many. I do understand your point though.

 

[Brindlebtch]

Deerman, I DO understand that my dogs have a serious potential for harm. I DO. Believe me. That is why I train them and I'm careful with them in public. But, quite honestly, I mostly worry about other people doing stupid things with thier dogs, like letting their intact male retriever run up to my intact male and get in his face and be stupid. That is just dumb and has happened more times than I can remember. People just don't seem to have common sense about dogs anymore.

I would never let my dogs run loose - that would be totally irresponsible and very hard on the squirrels in the neighborhood.

I have AmStaffs, and I know of some temperament problems in the breed. I know people who have been bitten by there own dogs. I know dogs that have turned on other dogs in the household. We've owned one. I accept that there are problems in the breed. At the National Specialty there was a dog that wouldn't let the judge touch it. Everybody was HORRIFIED and the dog was excused from the ring. There are actually problems like that in many large breeds. I agree with Jaime that the breeders should man up and cull bad teperaments and bad health problems, period.

I do not like how pits are being bred nowadays, and there are all kinds of different and sometimes odd bully breeds out there now, and many of them aren't too nice. I have actually been threatened by a loose pit in my front yard that would have bitten me had I turned and run or screamed and flailed or did something stupid. Instead I stood there calmly and waited it out. It was scary, but I realized that if I acted like prey it would treat me as prey.

We had a postman attacked in the neighborhood, and chased down and mauled. Badly. In the media the event was reported as a pit attack. I talked to the owner of the dog, because it was only 2 blocks away. The dog was a ridgeback/dane cross. The media reported it was a pit. As I said earlier, the local media reported 2 hounds attacking as a pit attack. I have visited the local dog pound and, quite honestly, there were a lot of pits in the bite case quarantine area. Some were huge powerful dogs. Yes they bit but didn't kill.

I do accept the potential of my breed, and I act responsibly with them, and I train them. I had one dog that was animal aggressive to the point that she had to be kept separate from all the dogs in the house and I was very careful with her in public. But she was not human aggressive. She had a poor temperament and might have bitten a human out of fear had she been placed in the wrong situation. She was our bed dog for 12 years and we loved her dearly, but we were very careful with her. We did have one accident where she got out the front door and chased a dog down the street, but fortunately she was old and didn't hurt it.

We had a loose laborador come right up to our front window. Our big male AmStaff at the time took out the front window to get to it, and a fight ensued in our front yard. While breaking up the fight, the lab bit my husband, badly, on the arm. Right after the dogs were separated, the owners came by in a car looking for their dog. They grabbed that dog and took off, never offering any help. We didn't report the bite, even though it needed stitches. EVERYBODY reports a pit bite. LOTS of dog bites are reported as pit bites and are not caused by pits. Another lab bit my husband while we were walking our dogs, on leash, one morning. Didn't report that, either. I never reported any of the dogs that bit me.

I agree there are too many pits. Up until the 1950s they were one of the breeds of choice for a family dog. I grew up with a pit. I actually don't have a problem with shelters putting them down because, quite honestly, if they end up in a shelter, even through no fault of their own they probably need to go out of sheer numbers. I have turned in a couple of loose pits myself, and I know they were going to be put down.

We have a neighbor with a rescue pit that kept trying to get into our yard. We would have shot it, without question, had it done so. Period. Fortunately our neighbors fixed their fence before that ever happened.

People are stupid, and I agree that pits have the potential for great harm. But I also think a lot of large breeds do. I am honestly a little skeptical of the statistics because I don't believe the people who identify the dogs can tell a pit from a hole in the ground.

And Jaime the Dog Trainer - Pits were raised to be dog aggressive. While it is sad that they "turn" on a dog that they have been raised with, it really shouldn't be a big surprise. I know a lot of AmStaff breeders who keep all there dogs separate, always. If the owner doesn't know what to look for or what to do when a problem comes along, well, then, there's going to be a problem if the dog has a certain personality. Shouldn't be a surprise. When I introduce a new pup into the house I am very careful to head off potential problems and I still never leave 3 dogs out at 1 time. I'm careful and I don't make assumptions. I bet there were plenty of signals that there was going to be a problem before the dog fight occurred, and the owner didn't see them.

As for pits that bite people, I believe they should be put down. Pits shouldn't bite people.

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NO dogs should bite people and there shouldn't be a double standard about the size or breed of the biter. Nothing aggravates me more than to be at a show and somebody thinks its cute that their Papillon is on the end of it's leash barking and growling at my dog. They think it's cute. I ask them to restrain their dog and make it stop provoking mine. THey think it is so mean of me to make their dog behave to the standard they expect from my dog. Stupid.

 

[Brindlebtch]

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Al, I'm sorry you have problems with pits in your area. Sounds like a good policy would be SSS.

 

[RHRanch]

I wanted to learn more about the deer - so far I can't find a database of attack stats - but what it striking is how many stories there are when you google it. If I just looked at one year, I already can tell that I could find many more gorings by deer than pit attacks, possible more killings, some of these stories are about gorings ending in death. Imagine if we included Canada and Moose in the figures? I think the reason we have good records of the deaths by car is that insurance companies keep good records of traffic/driving stats.

I posted some of the most interesting/telling articles below:

Attacks - No Deaths

MY FAVORITE: PIT BULL NEARLY KILLED BY GENTLE DEER!!!! LOL : http://www.krqe.com/dpps/news/strange/3-oregon-deer-attack-and-injure-barking-dog-ob10-jgr_3671428

http://violentdeer.blogspot.com/

http://www.berkeleyside.com/2010/05/07/deer-attacks-berkeley-woman-and-her-dogs/

http://www.boiseweekly.com/Cobweb/archives/2011/10/04/deer-attacks-idaho-woman

http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/Deer-attacks-Oregon-couple-dogs-108970824.html

deaths

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051020/news_7m20deer.html

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1030773&page=1

 

[deerman]

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ok my user name is deerman....but sorry that doesn't work i'm not a deer breeder.

Has nothing to do with dogs killing people

 

[RHRanch]

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ok my user name is deerman....but sorry that doesn't work i'm not a deer breeder.

Has nothing to do with dogs killing people

I disagree - I think it really brings home that people will fall prey to media hype about anything and that we focus only on what they want us to. The media doesn't focus on problems that we really should be concerned about, like how serious the HIV problem is, even here in the US, for example. or how dangerous honeybees are (kill a lot of folks, yet more people are afraid of rattlesnakes, which statistically are unlikely to harm you unless you are a young male who has been drinking, lol. No, instead its Armageddon because some meth addict's chained pit bull got loose and killed someone. How is that a shocker, and why isn't the actual problem more apparent to people? Hysteria, sells and there are plenty of folks who will lap it up without thinking about what they are seeing and watching.

 

[Avalon1984]

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ok my user name is deerman....but sorry that doesn't work i'm not a deer breeder.

Has nothing to do with dogs killing people

I disagree - I think it really brings home that people will fall prey to media hype about anything and that we focus only on what they want us to. The media doesn't focus on problems that we really should be concerned about, like how serious the HIV problem is, even here in the US, for example. or how dangerous honeybees are (kill a lot of folks, yet more people are afraid of rattlesnakes, which statistically are unlikely to harm you unless you are a young male who has been drinking, lol. No, instead its Armageddon because some meth addict's chained pit bull got loose and killed someone. How is that a shocker, and why isn't the actual problem more apparent to people? Hysteria, sells and there are plenty of folks who will lap it up without thinking about what they are seeing and watching.

The media in this country is biased. More cirtical thinking needed. I know a lot of people with pits and they are good dogs. I also know a bunch of people that have German shepards that are human and other animal aggressive. Almost shot one that came on my property the other day but he was close to a public road.