not all birds are created equal

[redhen]

Canesisters..is there a problem with me asking questions because I'm confused about something? Why are you attacking me?

 

[redhen]

Celtic..we'll just have to agree to disagree. The fact is you are making profit on birds that you yourself wouldn't keep in a breeding program.
As I stated..I was just confused by this as you were the one that started this thread...that's all.
Carry on..

 

[canesisters]

Canesisters..is there a problem with me asking questions because I'm confused about something? Why are you attacking me?

Attacking?
You said that something was confusing to you - I tried to clear it up.
Unless you are one of the folks who expect breeders to somehow only sell top quality animals and, at the same time, not cull any of the offspring that their animals produce (which I am sure you are not) then I didn't say anything at all out of line or even a little bit ugly.

 

[CelticOaksFarm]

there was no attack made above....... but plenty of of them aimed towards me over this thread and accusations as to how we sell and what we sell that seems to be thought as being OK though.

CULLING IS OK............if you arent OK with CULLING and its VARIOUS forms there is no reason to stay here.............

dont see anyone slandering HWF or bad mouthing them for their fall adult/juvenile sales which are their CULLS after all.

and not priced as reasonable or labeled culls, but in fact thats what they are. They are adults (juveniles) who dont make the cut for breeding by them

 

[redhen]

Attacking?
You said that something was confusing to you - I tried to clear it up.
Unless you are one of the folks who expect breeders to somehow only sell top quality animals and, at the same time, not cull any of the offspring that their animals produce (which I am sure you are not) then I didn't say anything at all out of line or even a little bit ugly.

Okay then..have a nice day!

 

[CelticOaksFarm]

Celtic..we'll just have to agree to disagree. The fact is you are making profit on birds that you yourself wouldn't keep in a breeding program.
As I stated..I was just confused by this as you were the one that started this thread...that's all.
Carry on..

again wrong.....but feel free to move along since you dont seem to understand even the great waterfowl breed HWF sells culls every year that people line up and scramble to buy.........they are still culls as culling means to remove from the breeding program of the current owner/breeder. Culls are not all always bad birds, but they dont measure up for that owner/breeder.

 

[pbjmaker]

I was just trying to clarify because I do have a friend who is a serious breeder and he does "freezer camp" all of his inferior birds. Doesn't bother me in the least. The few birds he does sell usually go to 4-H kids and he teaches them how to show AND how to pair up birds with complimenting traits.

I think what Redhen was trying to get at is the thread was about people selling inferior birds as show quality etc. and how it is irresponsible. But then everyone is talking about selling their culls as pet birds. There is nothing stopping those people with their newly acquired pets to hatch and sell their off spring as coming from show lines - it happens ALL the time. You can't control people and unlike the dog/cat world you can't spay/neuter your birds before you rehome them.

I personally think a lot of the responsiblity falls on the person who is interested in a breed of whatever to research that breed and understand what they are looking for BEFORE they ever buy. They need to talk to "experts" and by that I mean people who have proven themselves through actions, not just rattling off information that can be found by anyone on the internet. Raising show birds takes knowledge and integrity on both ends.

 

[redhen]

I was just trying to clarify because I do have a friend who is a serious breeder and he does "freezer camp" all of his inferior birds. Doesn't bother me in the least. The few birds he does sell usually go to 4-H kids and he teaches them how to show AND how to pair up birds with complimenting traits. 

I think what Redhen was trying to get at is the thread was about people selling inferior birds as show quality etc. and how it is irresponsible. But then everyone is talking about selling their culls as pet birds. There is nothing stopping those people with their newly acquired pets to hatch and sell their off spring as coming from show lines - it happens ALL the time. You can't control people and unlike the dog/cat world you can't spay/neuter your birds before you rehome them.

I personally think a lot of the responsiblity falls on the person who is interested in a breed of whatever to research that breed and understand what they are looking for BEFORE they ever buy. They need to talk to "experts" and by that I mean people who have proven themselves through actions, not just rattling off information that can be found by anyone on the internet. Raising show birds takes knowledge and integrity on both ends.

Thank you..PBJmaker..that is indeed exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[redhen]

Yes happens aaaall the time. Someone gets a cull bird from a big name breeder cheap and then sells its offspring as coming from a "show quality" line.. when in fact those babies will most likely produce bad breed examples...
And so...those birds get spread all over the States...
Its just a nasty cycle ..

 

[CelticOaksFarm]

it does and again implying that we or any other small farm is any less knowledgeable than another is unkind and proves nothing. Years of membership on BYC also proves nothing to what type of background someone has. Many breeders avoid BYC, I can see why with the amount of attacks that happen when any discussion of culls, processing and breeding for quality comes up. makes this forum UNwelcoming by those who want to constantly pick fights. Many of those same people think nothing or ordering from hatcheries every year, who practice culling practices of another level.

I dont believe in sugar coating butchering birds into labels of freezer camp...........but I also dont believe every bird needs to be butchered either. We have a local couple who wanted some "geese" to mow their front pasture to make it easier for them the humans. They didnt care the quality other than HEALTHY and eaters. They bought culls and are very happy to collect the eggs and have a bird working for them.