Not an Emergency...Marek's in the Flock

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by Haunted55, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. Nambroth

    Nambroth Fud Lady

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    MPC is supplied via Meyer, unless that's changed in the last year.

    EDIT: I have been corrected-- I was given bad information. Meyer does NOT use all three vaccines to the best of my knowledge.

    Do you have any other chickens, or places with chickens relatively nearby?
     
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  2. BigECarter

    BigECarter Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have three survivors of nine, one of whom I think may be showing mild symptoms of Marek's. I got them when they were two months old from a small, local hatchery, supposedly vaccinated.
     
  3. Haunted55

    Haunted55 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Super B Complex is a human vitamin found at WalMart or any other place that sells vitamins. Instead of the Poly, use the SuperB Complex along with a 400iu capsule of the vitamin E. I add the B to twater after crushing it and then either 'float' the oil from the E on top of the water or give half by mouth. If the bird is drinking floating it seems to work just fine.
     
  4. Haunted55

    Haunted55 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Okay, something to learn here, the HVT is actually the same vaccine as the MD-Vac. Both are from the turkey Marek's and both are live virus. I also think that revaccinating them is a very, very good idea as the first one sometimes doesn't work because of maternal or paternal resistance carried through for up to 3 weeks. this resistance is one of the biggest reasons for vaccine failure in our chicks. If you do a revaccination in your chicks at the 4-6 week time, you will be making sure they are protected. I am going to look up the time frame to be sure about this and give you the exact time of revaccination.

    Do not worry about them being the same, it shouldn't matter unless you run into a mutated form of the virus. Personally, I always ask what types of vaccine is given to the chicks before ordering. Rispens is the name you want to hear and is proving itself to be the most effective so far. Although, you knew there'd be one of those...there has recently been some failure of it as well. Use what you can get and go forward with really good biosecurity measures in place.
     
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  5. Haunted55

    Haunted55 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Okay, the plot thickens.....lol. I just got off the phone with a commercial hatchery and Texas A&M diagnostic labs. it would seem that the nodules, tumors, whatever are more consistent with an Aspergillous outbreak. I can also say that if you are selling birds or hatching eggs under the NPIP, as told to me by the hatchery owner, you do not have to test for this, at all. Hmmm, and we wonder again how these things get in our flocks? The thought being that it is everywhere already, so an introduction of it isn't going to matter as symptomatically it doesn't cause trouble. Okay....

    Now testing for this now is impossible on the birds showing symptoms, but there is one person who has been in constant contact with them and that is me. Yes this is one that we can get and some of the symptoms I have been living with for months now make me wonder. I will be finding out Weds. what route my doctor will be taking to figure this out. Oh joy.
     
  6. julie0477

    julie0477 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    no I'm not culling him based on a limp. He's not quarantined. I wasn't sure how id get the vitamin in him alone since I'd dosed my other lil guy thru his water source. He's limping but still not easy to catch.
     
  7. Nambroth

    Nambroth Fud Lady

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    Asper, really? This is something I dealt with (more) frequently when I worked with parrots every day... it cannot be contagious, but a severely infected bird can be a source for larger numbers of the spores. But you are right-- aspergillosis spores are literally everywhere in the outdoor environment and even out homes. Just like common bacteria, we are constantly introducing them to our bodies but usually only folks (or animals) that are exposed to A LOT of the spores when they are immune-supressed with develop an infection. It is one reason care is urged for those that don't have great immune systems to wear a respirator when cleaning/stirring around in coops and such (one should always wear one anyhow if stirring up dander and such when cleaning a coop), and why moisture is the enemy to many keepers of birds.
     
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  8. julie0477

    julie0477 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Oh you mean will I cull if it does turn out to be mareks? I will definitely not cull all of my birds and start over. I think it's silly when it could happen again and I am not a breeder/shower so I am completely ok with keeping a closed flock. I havent decided what I will do with the sick birds. I hope that's a bridge I don't have to cross.
     
  9. triton77

    triton77 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks for the reply!
    She hasn't been drinking as far as I can tell so we've been syringe feeding her. Can I add the super B to the syringe with water and her vitamin E? I thought vitamin E had to be given with selenium in order for it to work is that right?

    I emailed the hatchery and they said they don't give the mareks vaccine and that most small farms don't. Is this vaccine really expensive? Is it also one that has to be given multiple times or is it a one and done kinda thing? I'm just trying to learn as much as I can so I can prevent the heart ache in the future.
    Thanks!
     
  10. seminolewind

    seminolewind Flock Mistress Premium Member

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    Hi. Since they were pullets, they could have already been exposed. It's just heartbreaking. From now on, only get day old Vaccinated chicks and quarantine them for 2-10 weeks. From now on. You should send a dead one to a state lab to confirm. Most of my older chickens survived the Marek's brought on to my property. I have some links in my signature you may want to read.
     

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