Now River Otter's Genetics 101

[ShrekDawg]

I’d love to see a pic

 

[RiverOtter]

Oh you bred her? That’s so cool! Is she registered? What're her accomplishments?

Sure - post a pic!

Well, first I bred her - She's Arrows Flight Nighthawk, Connemara Halfbred, although she's actually 75% (the registry just labels them Full, Half and Sport) and I bred her to be my personal show horse. The plan was to do 3 day eventing, but after a nearly-fatal leg injury as a 2 yo, we just toodle around together. She's not lame so long as she doesn't have to do anything rigorous or high-intensity, but she LOVES trails.

Then, yes, I bred her. Or, I planned it once, then the second time another mare kicked the barn door to pieces to free the stallion. While that randy hooker didn't get knocked up, I did have 2 late summer babies from other mares, and that's how Nighthawk got bred to her own father.

Long story, but this is AF Firefly, deep in her yearling fuglies BUT showing off her color - which is bay with the same modifier her mother has. Any guesses?



Also, I promise that she will, one day, be just as lovely as her (planned) older sister AF Zephyr, who is black-to-gray

 

[Missyschix13]

I'll play. This is a really hard one. View attachment 3247598

Is she some kind of weird dun dilution?....the only reason I guess that is the lighter color on her hip underneath.

 

[Peaches Lee]

You'll have to tell us the secret, cuz I would just call her bay.

 

[OneHappyDuckie]

Well, first I bred her - She's Arrows Flight Nighthawk, Connemara Halfbred, although she's actually 75% (the registry just labels them Full, Half and Sport) and I bred her to be my personal show horse. The plan was to do 3 day eventing, but after a nearly-fatal leg injury as a 2 yo, we just toodle around together. She's not lame so long as she doesn't have to do anything rigorous or high-intensity, but she LOVES trails.

Then, yes, I bred her. Or, I planned it once, then the second time another mare kicked the barn door to pieces to free the stallion. While that randy hooker didn't get knocked up, I did have 2 late summer babies from other mares, and that's how Nighthawk got bred to her own father.

Long story, but this is AF Firefly, deep in her yearling fuglies BUT showing off her color - which is bay with the same modifier her mother has. Any guesses?
View attachment 3254148View attachment 3254149


Also, I promise that she will, one day, be just as lovely as her (planned) older sister AF Zephyr, who is black-to-grayView attachment 3254153

Well, first I bred her - She's Arrows Flight Nighthawk, Connemara Halfbred, although she's actually 75% (the registry just labels them Full, Half and Sport) and I bred her to be my personal show horse. The plan was to do 3 day eventing, but after a nearly-fatal leg injury as a 2 yo, we just toodle around together. She's not lame so long as she doesn't have to do anything rigorous or high-intensity, but she LOVES trails.

Then, yes, I bred her. Or, I planned it once, then the second time another mare kicked the barn door to pieces to free the stallion. While that randy hooker didn't get knocked up, I did have 2 late summer babies from other mares, and that's how Nighthawk got bred to her own father.

Long story, but this is AF Firefly, deep in her yearling fuglies BUT showing off her color - which is bay with the same modifier her mother has. Any guesses?
View attachment 3254148View attachment 3254149


Also, I promise that she will, one day, be just as lovely as her (planned) older sister AF Zephyr, who is black-to-grayView attachment 3254153

Wow! They’re all so gorgeous! I would love to see your website, do you think you could PM it to me?

 

[RiverOtter]

You'll have to tell us the secret, cuz I would just call her bay.

Is she some kind of weird dun dilution?....the only reason I guess that is the lighter color on her hip underneath.

@Missyschix13 kinda has it! The modifier is called Pangere or Mealy and it's one of the ones that gives that light colored muzzle (called "mealy" because the horse looks like it dipped it's nose in corn meal) and also light around the eyes, on the underside and flanks. It's why Firefly has all those gold undertones. Exmoor ponies are famous for their extreme pangere, with dark bay with strong pangere being their most common color.

Nighthawk is black with pangere. Sometimes, on a black horse, pangere colors them as with Nighthawk and sometimes it does .... nothing. And we have NO idea why, except that there must be another modifier at play or multiple types of pangere.

With her first foal, she passed on her black coat, and no pangere. Zephyr got gray from her father (who's mother was also black-to-gray, giving the 2nd recessive to show black) and, starting from black, went that lovely steel color (which she is already losing to dapples). With her second, the father didn't pass on a 2nd copy of recessive black, so the foal is bay, but did get the pangere.

@OneHappyDuckie, pm sent. I do have to update with more pictures though.

 

[Missyschix13]

@Missyschix13 kinda has it! The modifier is called Pangere or Mealy and it's one of the ones that gives that light colored muzzle (called "mealy" because the horse looks like it dipped it's nose in corn meal) and also light around the eyes, on the underside and flanks. It's why Firefly has all those gold undertones. Exmoor ponies are famous for their extreme pangere, with dark bay with strong pangere being their most common color.

Nighthawk is black with pangere. Sometimes, on a black horse, pangere colors them as with Nighthawk and sometimes it does .... nothing. And we have NO idea why, except that there must be another modifier at play or multiple types of pangere.

With her first foal, she passed on her black coat, and no pangere. Zephyr got gray from her father (who's mother was also black-to-gray, giving the 2nd recessive to show black) and, starting from black, went that lovely steel color (which she is already losing to dapples). With her second, the father didn't pass on a 2nd copy of recessive black, so the foal is bay, but did get the pangere.

@OneHappyDuckie, pm sent. I do have to update with more pictures though.

Wooo....kinda go me! Lol she's a beautiful color though. I love it!

 

[ShrekDawg]

I never would’ve guessed that lol she looks bay to me

 

[RiverOtter]

I never would’ve guessed that lol she looks bay to me

I actually thought Nighthawk was seal brown, which, from her parentage, she shouldn't have been, so I got her tested, and the test says black!

Pangere really brightened the bay on her foal

 

[ShrekDawg]

I actually thought Nighthawk was seal brown, which, from her parentage, she shouldn't have been, so I got her tested, and the test says black!

Pangere really brightened the bay on her foal

Oh wow that’s so strange yet interesting!