Now River Otter's Genetics 101

[Geena]

and genetically a bi-color

No, they are dark/blanket blk & tans, not bi-color.
As is shown in your first link, in bi-colors the tan is restricted to certain areas only.

Bi-color

a more recent pic of one of my girls, 3 years old, definitely not a bi-color

 

[Peaches Lee]

I did know about coon jumping! I've actually seen it locally! What fun!

Now, I'm ignorant about mules---but with the FEI ruling about being born from a mare, that would allow mules then right?

 

[Painted Calls]

Did you know mules have their own equestrian event where horses just cannot compete and win? It's called the coon hunter's jump, check it;

I do know this. I've always wanted to go to a coon jump!

 

[RiverOtter]

I did know about coon jumping! I've actually seen it locally! What fun!

Now, I'm ignorant about mules---but with the FEI ruling about being born from a mare, that would allow mules then right?

Yes! And the first video I posted, that mule is fairly competitive in dressage.

Now, my pretty Agnes is good old mule-brown, a little fat, and just a tag-along right now. But once I don't have quite so much on my plate I am absolutely training her for hunter paces, because the picture-perfect tuck and form this totally untrained creature has is stunning.

@Geena, I'm going to drop it on this thread, but the other article I linked goes into much greater detail on extender and modifier genes and bi's can and usually do have a lot more tan than the minimally marked dog pictured. If you're curious the last I checked VetGen has the most comprehensive color testing for dogs.

 

[Geena]

I'm going to drop it on this thread

Yes, let's just drop it, I don't want to sidetrack your horse genetics thread.
I must say though that I can see why some people "feel that you are a know-it-all". I very much appreciate someone who is knowledgeable on a topic and would normally enjoy having a discussion with them about it. But you have a rather condescending manner about you that is off putting. I've owned, bred, trained and shown German Shepherds off and on for my entire life. While I appreciate your links, I'm already quite familiar with gsd genetics and vetgen

 

[Peaches Lee]

Yes! And the first video I posted, that mule is fairly competitive in dressage.

Now, my pretty Agnes is good old mule-brown, a little fat, and just a tag-along right now. But once I don't have quite so much on my plate I am absolutely training her for hunter paces, because the picture-perfect tuck and form this totally untrained creature has is stunning.

@Geena, I'm going to drop it on this thread, but the other article I linked goes into much greater detail on extender and modifier genes and bi's can and usually do have a lot more tan than the minimally marked dog pictured. If you're curious the last I checked VetGen has the most comprehensive color testing for dogs.

Yes it looks like showing at the local/regional level of dressage with a mule is a okay--just gets a bit tricky when you start heading towards the high falootin FEI ring.

Have you popped Agnes over a few poles/fences to see her form?

 

[RiverOtter]

Yes it looks like showing at the local/regional level of dressage with a mule is a okay--just gets a bit tricky when you start heading towards the high falootin FEI ring.

Have you popped Agnes over a few poles/fences to see her form?

EVERYTHING gets tricky at that level. It's its own special form of madness.

Yes, I've taken her over a couple of baby cross rails, but where you can REALLY see form is - I have some ditches and obstacles in my pastures and Connemaras are famous for jumping like crickets. So they'll be doing a round and trailing the back of the pack come Aggie, slow but game, taking everything without hesitation and perfect form. And I ALWAYS spazz and just watch them and never think to whip out my phone and take some video until it's too late. The very best thing about cell phones is always having a camera and do I remember that while something cool is happening? Never ...

 

[RiverOtter]

@Geena, yes, I'm sure I sound condescending at this point. But if you will PM me the kennel name of the folks you know that breed this

To only this

For multiple generations and gets this


Then I will publish a public apology for both my ignorance and attitude, here, on the GSD forum of your choice, on my website, and I will stop posting on BYC

 

[Geena]

@Geena, yes, I'm sure I sound condescending at this point. But if you will PM me the kennel name of the folks you know that breed this
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To only this
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For multiple generations and gets this
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Then I will publish a public apology for both my ignorance and attitude, here, on the GSD forum of your choice, on my website, and I will stop posting on BYC

Well, no decent breeder would breed a washed out looking dog like that to another. I'm sure you realize that blk & tan presents itself in many different ways depending on the genetic make up of the dogs being bred, from that faded blk & tan to the blanket blk & tan pictured and everything in between.

Lots of show kennels work mostly with blk & tan dogs. Here's one I picked out at random because it just happened to be on the front page. You can click on the numbers at the top to go back 7 generations if you want.

Pedigree database

Take a look around and I'm sure you will find plenty more of the same.

 

[Peaches Lee]

@RiverOtter I hear ya about phones/cameras. I just don't have cooperative horses. This is like the only semi decent photo of about 10+ shots. The rest of the time we're standing like a weirdo, mouth is agape, eyes are closed. The struggle is real.