Nuclear weapons in my car?

[CityChicker]

PineappleMama- I don't mean to pick on you. Really, I don't... but *please* tell me you don't honestly believe this story....

I pray that you don't actually believe a minor health inspection violation (or any restaurant health inspection violation) would go on the person's driver's license, let alone lead to what you apparently believe ensued. One thing has nothing to do with the other- restaurant health inspections and DMV/police records.

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[Camelot Farms]

VINDICATION!!!

The 'defective' headlight is manufactured that way. So, I am heading to the LPD to ask to have the ticket vacated.

Woot!!!

 

[conny63malies]

I would have told them that i only got 13 illegal mexicans in the trunk and that i sold my last nuclear warhead to the saudis last week. We always got something weapons related in the trunk, such as empty clips or so.

 

[seismic wonder2]

I don't mean to be Devil's Advocate but....
You know how many punks, druggies, pusher, pimps, ho ho's, guns, drugs etc. have been caught because "The driver looked suspicious"?

I'm sorry but If I were a cop and I saw a car full of kids dressed like gang members about to do a drive-by I'd pull them just to see what's what. But you can't just pull them for no reason.

I've been on MANY ride-a-longs and 99% of the time if they look crooked, they are. They just follow and wait and sooner or later they will do something stupid enough to get pulled over. The crooked ones are usually the ones that try to play roadside lawer, give attitude, and end up getting arrested and their car impounded.

Trust me, in this day and age, if the police feel uncomfortable they WILL cuff and stuff you first, THEN find out what is going on.

I can't count the number ot times I've heard "This guy has a burned out tail light, I'll pull him just to let him know to get it fixed." I'd ask if he was going to run the plates..."Nope, no reason. Just let the guy know his light is out." But the punk gave soo much attitude he gives the cop a reason to get suspicious and ask more and more questions like "where are you going? where you been? Why?"can I see your registration and D/L? Bingo! They guy just beat up some one with a baseball bat (that was in the back seat) across town.
If the guy would have just said, "Thanks, I'll go to Napa tomorrow and get a new one." He would have been free and clear.

Don't get me wrong, Pulling a guy because he's some sort of race other than white is absoultely WRONG! Pulling someone over for no reason is WRONG!

But, If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck. There's a pretty good chance it's NOT a kitten.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I read an reread your post. It bothers me that some people think this mindset is ok

I've been on MANY ride-a-longs and 99% of the time if they look crooked, they are. They just follow and wait and sooner or later they will do something stupid enough to get pulled over. The crooked ones are usually the ones that try to play roadside lawer, give attitude, and end up getting arrested and their car impounded.

See, people assume that we all have the same rights in this country but we don't. You only have as many rights as you have the financial ability to defend.

If two cars are on the same road.
Car A is less than a year old.
Car B is almost 20 years old.

Lets even assume that both drivers do drugs. Or we could assume nether do.. Works both ways.

Which car is more likely to get pulled over? Why?

OK lets assume both were pulled over. Do they still have the same rights? They should but not in reality.
The driver of car A bought his car new. He knows for a fact if there is anything in his car.
The driver of car B does not know the full history of his car.
Both should have every right to refuse a search. The issue is that most old cars will get a hit from a drug dog.
So car A can refused the search, the dog walks around his car an assuming he has no drugs he goes about his day.
Car B refuses an the dog hits on his car. Now he has no say. They get to rip his car apart looking for something that may or may not be there. His rights have now been violated.

Now lets say the dog hit on both cars an they found drugs in both. Both get a trial in a courtroom in the town that cop works.You can argue weather your civil rights were violated there but odds are bad on that working in a small town court. So if convicted you have to appeal to higher courts. Both drivers have the right to do that but! An its a big But. The first trial you have an attorney no matter how much money you make. To appeal you need money. So really does everyone have the same constitutional rights?

Lets go back to car A an B driving down the road.

Car A is no less likely to be a crook but he is harder to pull over in the first place. It will be harder to search an if you do an you do find anything it is harder to get a conviction that will stick.

Car B you know will be easy to find an excuse to pull it over. Once pulled over you are almost assured a chance to search the car. And an easy conviction.

Profiling is never about getting the most crooks off the street. Its about finding the people with the least ability to defend there rights.

Are blacks/mexican/disabled/low income/teens, more likely to be drug dealers? No! Are they more likely to go to jail if charged? Yes. Why? Lack of equal civil rights. You have to have money to fight for your Civil rights.​

 

[gritsar]

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See, people assume that we all have the same rights in this country but we don't. You only have as many rights as you have the financial ability to defend.

If two cars are on the same road.
Car A is less than a year old.
Car B is almost 20 years old.

Lets even assume that both drivers do drugs. Or we could assume nether do.. Works both ways.

Which car is more likely to get pulled over? Why?

OK lets assume both were pulled over. Do they still have the same rights? They should but not in reality.
The driver of car A bought his car new. He knows for a fact if there is anything in his car.
The driver of car B does not know the full history of his car.
Both should have every right to refuse a search. The issue is that most old cars will get a hit from a drug dog.
So car A can refused the search, the dog walks around his car an assuming he has no drugs he goes about his day.
Car B refuses an the dog hits on his car. Now he has no say. They get to rip his car apart looking for something that may or may not be there. His rights have now been violated.

Now lets say the dog hit on both cars an they found drugs in both. Both get a trial in a courtroom in the town that cop works.You can argue weather your civil rights were violated there but odds are bad on that working in a small town court. So if convicted you have to appeal to higher courts. Both drivers have the right to do that but! An its a big But. The first trial you have an attorney no matter how much money you make. To appeal you need money. So really does everyone have the same constitutional rights?

Lets go back to car A an B driving down the road.

Car A is no less likely to be a crook but he is harder to pull over in the first place. It will be harder to search an if you do an you do find anything it is harder to get a conviction that will stick.

Car B you know will be easy to find an excuse to pull it over. Once pulled over you are almost assured a chance to search the car. And an easy conviction.

Profiling is never about getting the most crooks off the street. Its about finding the people with the least ability to defend there rights.

Are blacks/mexican/disabled/low income/teens, more likely to be drug dealers? No! Are they more likely to go to jail if charged? Yes. Why? Lack of equal civil rights. You have to have money to fight for your Civil rights.

Oh pahleeze. What would you rather the cops do, sit on their thumbs and let the world run amok rather than take a chance on violating someone's civil rights? Rights come with responsibility and obeying the law is one of those responsibilities.
If you don't like the way the laws are written in this country, take it up with your congressman. Cops don't make the laws, they just enforce them. What a LEO can or cannot do on a traffic stop is also part of the law. Unless he really wants to be unemployed, a LEO knows that and stays within those boundaries.
I'm gonna go hug my chickens.
To Camelot: If you know that your car wasn't in violation of the law, then fight it.

 

[quiltnchik]

A friend of mine had something similar happen a few years ago, except that when they asked to search the car, he asked, "Do you have a search warrant?" He then sat there for 4 hours while the cops got a search warrant and searched his car. He thought it was hilarious, because the cops wasted 4 hours of their time for NOTHING! So, if this ever happens again - and they don't have "probable cause" - demand that they get a search warrant before searching the vehicle...

BTW, I wouldn't pay the fine. I'd go to court and fight it, since you have a valid inspection from earlier that same day. Something tells me the cop was bored and looking for someone to pick on.

Just my .02...

 

[quiltnchik]

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Manufactured *what* way? What type of headlight is it?

 

[Camelot Farms]

Drat! Technicality.

The daytime running lights on my car will automatically turn off when the turn signal is in operation and then automatically turn back on when the turn signal clicks off after the turn.

So, when DS used his turn signal, the daytime running lights shut off and then turned back on.

The technicality is whether it was 'dark enough' to need the headlights or not. When the headlights are on, the daytime running lights are not in operation so it wouldnt have been an issue if he had the lights on. But, he didnt think it was dark enough to need lights or my daytime running lights were bright enough that he didnt notice.

My problem now is that if I take this to the LEO and show him my owners manual, he may say that DS should have been operating his headlights at that time of 'evening'. I also can not take a reciept for the repair to court to get them to invalidate the ticket because there is nothing wrong with the car for a mechanic to fix and write me a receipt.

So frustrated!!

 

[Soccer Mom]

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Perhaps a mechanic could look at it and write you a statement that there was nothing wrong with the vehicle. I've had people bring those in to me at court and I've dismissed their cases. I"ve even gone out into the parking lot and looked at vehicles to have people show me things like the running lights turn off when turn signal is engaged. It's worth a try.