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I hope that Ihavewhatinmybackyard is laying on a couch so that our psychoanalyzing of her dreams will be official.
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Deb if I had time to lay down maybe I would not be having these dreams!!
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I bet some of it has to do with the wanting to fix things for other people and feeling like they are not doing what is in their best interest. I am trying really hard not to be codependent an controlling but it is a struggle.

I think my sister has a prescription drug addiction that is getting out of control but her doctor keeps feeding them to her anyway.

I think my foster son should not be getting married at 19, but he's not really my child and legally he is an adult. (He could do better than this very sweet but slightly brain dead girl.)

My best friend is starting chemo next week and she refuses to talk to anyone about her fears and she, for some reason, is being antagonistic toward the very same people that are supposed to help her.

Yep, you guys are right. AGAIN!





Now if only I could remember what those chickens looked like! What kind of chickens would south american rebels keep??
 
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Now if only I could remember what those chickens looked like! What kind of chickens would south american rebels keep??

Chickens with little Ak-47s and an attitude!​
 
I have WHAT in my yard? :

Now if only I could remember what those chickens looked like! What kind of chickens would south american rebels keep??

The RAMBO kind!
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Lol I made this picture years ago of my rooster Rambo. LOL
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Kanchii I LOVE the pic! Rebel chickens unite!! Don't let my roo hear about it - he is all bluster and attitude as it is!

Well to sort of go back to the topic I derailed....

Yesterday I did a lecture on the sociology of religion. This is always a fun class for me. I set up very firm ground rules for discussion prior and make sure that everyone knows that I will at some point criticize ALL religions. And that the discussion is sociological not theological. But, you cannot examine belief systems' impact on their societies unless you take a good look at what people believe.

Most of the time students take it in the intellectual framework it is intended for - but many semesters I will get some one whose belief system is so rigid that even to discuss it as a sociological construct freaks them out completely. This year was one of those. I had laid the ground work for this class for several weeks so they knew it was coming. I bring in the bible (several versions so they can see the differences), a Q'ran, a Torah, the book of Mormon, books on Kabbalah, Scientology, Buddhism, Hinduism and of course paganism. So one student sat through the class diligently writing and never looked at me. She looked out the window and hummed under her breath. At the end of class I asked them if anyone had any questions or issues and invited them to see me after class if they had issues. So she comes up to me and says, very proudly, "I asked my pastor about this on Sunday and he said that I should liken you unto a demon in my life to test my faith! So I prayed and focused on my lord and did not hear a word you said!"
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All faith should be able to withstand the light of reason and questions. To me if you cannot hear questions about your religion then your faith is not as strong as perhaps it should be if you really believed. But I did not say that. I just said that was fine and I was glad she was comfortable with where she was but that I would hope she would be able to define the terms we used on the final. Her answer? "I would sooner fail than study your version of religion." My answer: "Your choice."

She is a Jehovah's Witness and in all honesty aware of her fragility I left them very pointedly out of much of my criticisms of stigmatizing religions. I merely focused on all religions' intent to sacralize the existing norms.

As I was cleaning up a young man I did not know came in and asked me what class I had been teaching. I answered him, as did several students who were still excitedly examining the texts. He said he had eavesdropped on the latter half of the class from outside the open door and was amazed at the information. "They didn't teach me any of that in divinity school!" He was an ordained pentacostal minister! You never know do you?
 
How crazy.

If your faith can not stand up to scrutiny then how can you say that you actually believe? If there is a God then he or she can stand up to rational inquiry.

You handled the situation well, but I wonder why the young lady wasted her time in your class?

I was going to ask a question on the nonreligious thread about how some people interpret their religion in such a way that it automatically shuts down any intelligent questions but I couldn't think of a way to word the question. Your student would be an example of what I am trying to ask. Anything that at all makes her question her faith is attributed to demons.
 
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The entire semester is not devoted to religion, it is one component and it is required for nursing majors. That is why we have to cover religion. If you work in medicine you will encounter people who are a their weakest and who will most want the comfort of their beliefs - not yours. Nothing makes me crazier than medical staff who are prosletizing to the dying and their families. It shows a remarkable lack of respect. I know a pagan who died a few years ago whose partner was actually told by a nurse that she was dying because they were both sinners in the eyes of god. Fortunately she was a very strong woman and she contacted the CEO of the hospital and everyone on the board to complain. The nurse was fired, but imagine having to fight such a battle on your death bed!
 
Oh, I wish I could sit in on that class. Next time you do that lecture record it and mail it to me, 'k? It sounds very interesting. Also, I didn't know you are a teacher, that's what I am going to school for now. Someday before I am 80 I will graduate. It's hard with kids, work and school.
 
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