Official Pagan Thread!

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Thank you.

I can't tell you how amazed I am at my hubby. He could be freaking out at this point but he simply accepts that I am looking into a religion that is different then his. A lot of people wouldn't be as open. He is making me very happy now.

This is something that the book that I referenced mentioned but I agree with. I am going to express this badly though. Different religions and faith, to me, focus on different portions of the same Deity. Its like walking into a remodeled, older home. Certain rooms might have been purposely decorated to honor the time period when the house was originally built. Someone examining the 18th century mantel might be amazed at the attention to an earlier time period that the decorators showed, while a person who examined the modern kitchen might notice how up to date all the appliances were. Both people would have different views of the house and its owners but if neither one had seen the entire house, their views wouldn't be right or wrong, just incomplete.

Maybe it isn't the best analogy. LOL

Forgive me for adding to a thread that I have not completely read. Your analogy sent me searching for another analogy I saw. It as a poem based on a much older Indian story.

John Godfrey Saxe

It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind

The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"


The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, "Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"


The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"


The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he;
" 'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"


The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"


The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"


And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

Moral:

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
 
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All you have to do is look into a newborn's eyes. Pools of innocence.

Gnostic writings were specifically rejected for inclusion in the bible. Sayings by jesus, such as, when you finally come to know yourselves you will know you are all the sons of god. Self discovery of our inherent divine nature... let's just say that wasn't an empowering notion for church authority and hierarchy.
 
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the "lost" writings were found by some archaeologist and broadcast to the world? You thought unemployment was bad now.....can you imagine all of those "religious experts" finding themselves without people to preach to? Hmm.... I can just see them scrambling to cover that one up!
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Barkerchickens and I had an AWESOME lunch on Saturday. 4 hours!!!! People of different religions and beliefs really CAN get along, and get along quite well. We talked so much my mouth was dry!
 
I have just discovered this post and I have enjoyed reading it through thru page 7. I have not had a chance to read it all yet but I will.

I became a born again pagan about fifteen years ago, and I kind of do my own thing. However, I have leaned much. Having read “When God Was A Woman”, and through all of the other suggested readings….it has given me a great education. One book that I have really enjoyed and which is richly documented and resourced is THE WOMAN’S’ ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MYTHS AND SECRETS by Barbara Walker…..this trail has taken me through ancient history, archeology and politics and has led me to understanding of where we have come from and why today we are in the situation that we are.

The word “Pagan”….. comes from the Greek….paganie (sp?) It means country dweller.

Because these people( pagans) resided in the country instead of the city, they were the last to be Christianized by the church fathers. Because they were slower to accept Churchianity and the changes that took them away from their nature oriented beliefs, the church used the term as in "country bumpkin". The word “Pagan” was then used in a derogatory manner. With the passing of time, the term was slowly changed into something meaning that which is evil.

As human beings, we sometimes cannot relate to something that is labeled as ancient. With our brief existence on this planet, our concept of time is so wanting.
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I'm reading God against the Gods, by Jonathan Kirsch and in it he expands some of the history of the word. Here is a section from the book. The section is titled "Christian Soldiers".
"God Against The Gods" pp 14-15, by Jonathan Kirsch :

"Pagan" is a word invented by early Christians to describe anyone who refused to recognize the One True God, and no self-respecting pagan ever described himself as one. Paganism, in fact, has been so thoroughly defamed that our language lacks the words and phrases to describe it in value-neutral terms. "A pagan" according to one of the dictionary definitions of the word, is "an irreligious or hedonistic person". All of the synonyms and variants - "heathen" or "idolator" or "infidel" or "barbarian" - are equally dismissive or derogatory. We are left with the dry and highly technical terms that distinguish between someone who worships only a single god, a "monotheist", and someone who worships more than one god, a "polytheist".

Our explanation for the root meaning of "pagan" allows us to see what was at stake in the encounter between monotheism and polytheism in ancient Rome. The word derives from the Latin "paganus," which originally referred to "village-dweller" and carried the sense of "country bumpkin." But the word was also used in Roman military circles to mean "civilian" and to distinguish one who is ready to fight in war from someone who stays behind. According to some scholars, that is precisely the meaning of "pagan" that inspired its first use by Christians - the Christian rigorists regarded themselves as soldiers, ready to march forth as crusaders in a holy war, and they characterized anyone who refused to take up arms in the service of the One True God as a civilian, a slacker, a "paganus". Eventually the term came to mean anyone who worshipped any god or goddess other than the sole deity who was recognized in the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic tradition...
And Christianity would ultimately carry the holy war in the name of the One True God to every corner of the Roman empire and far beyond - no distinction was made between the partician and the barbarian, the religious practices of each were regarded as equally "abominable" and equally worthy of persecution.
 
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I'm reading God against the Gods, by Jonathan Kirsch and in it he expands some of the history of the word. Here is a section from the book. The section is titled "Christian Soldiers".
"God Against The Gods" pp 14-15, by Jonathan Kirsch :

"Pagan" is a word invented by early Christians to describe anyone who refused to recognize the One True God, and no self-respecting pagan ever described himself as one. Paganism, in fact, has been so thoroughly defamed that our language lacks the words and phrases to describe it in value-neutral terms. "A pagan" according to one of the dictionary definitions of the word, is "an irreligious or hedonistic person". All of the synonyms and variants - "heathen" or "idolator" or "infidel" or "barbarian" - are equally dismissive or derogatory. We are left with the dry and highly technical terms that distinguish between someone who worships only a single god, a "monotheist", and someone who worships more than one god, a "polytheist".

Our explanation for the root meaning of "pagan" allows us to see what was at stake in the encounter between monotheism and polytheism in ancient Rome. The word derives from the Latin "paganus," which originally referred to "village-dweller" and carried the sense of "country bumpkin." But the word was also used in Roman military circles to mean "civilian" and to distinguish one who is ready to fight in war from someone who stays behind. According to some scholars, that is precisely the meaning of "pagan" that inspired its first use by Christians - the Christian rigorists regarded themselves as soldiers, ready to march forth as crusaders in a holy war, and they characterized anyone who refused to take up arms in the service of the One True God as a civilian, a slacker, a "paganus". Eventually the term came to mean anyone who worshipped any god or goddess other than the sole deity who was recognized in the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic tradition...
And Christianity would ultimately carry the holy war in the name of the One True God to every corner of the Roman empire and far beyond - no distinction was made between the partician and the barbarian, the religious practices of each were regarded as equally "abominable" and equally worthy of persecution.


I have this book, among others, coming to me in the mail!!
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I'm sorry I have never read that book.
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But I have read:

“The Nag Hammadi Library” .

With the translations:

“The Gnostic Gospels” and “Adam and Eve” - by Elaine Pagels.

“The Chalice & The Blade” – by Riane Eisler.

“Eunuchs For the Kingdom of Heaven” - by Uta Ranke-Heinemann

And…."When God Was A Woman" by Merlin Stone.

OH! And let us not forget Joseph Campbell.....my personal hero.

Last but not least ..."Lucy's Child" by Donald Johanson
 
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Here are the lyrics for one of my favorite songs currently on the radio! LOVE IT!

Well I don't understand why,
We do what we do to each other.
According to His word,
We're all born sisters and brothers.

But we lie and we steal,
We fight and we kill,
Even though we know the way...

Why do we go dancing in circles,
When we know it never ends?
We come so close,
To loving each other and then...
we go dancing in circles again.

All through the ages,
We try to share this world together.
Turning the pages,
Pretending we'll live here forever

But we'll have to face,
Our maker someday,
And reap what we've sown all the way...

Why do we go dancing in circles,
When we know it never ends?
We come so close,
To loving each other and then...
We go dancing in circles again.

And we know, how so,
Why can't we just get it right?
And I pray, someday,
We'll overcome all the damage we've done,
And we'll fly...

Why do we go dancing in circles,
When we know it never ends?
We come so close,
So close to living as friends,
To loving each other,
Like sisters and brothers and then...
We go dancing in circles again.
 
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