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[Kanchii]

Anyone in the SF bay area should consider coming to the Pagan Festival in Berkeley, May 8th.

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[Dust Bunny]

ebwy well old or not shes still a turd! sounds like she projected her issues onto you! i kinda feel sad for her, its gota be lame to be that bitter.

 

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

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OK?! I feel like I am on page 102 of a good story and I find the rest of the book is missing! So did he come back? Did they stay married? Does anyone ever speak of the nephew/son issue or does it stay a family secret? Who actually raises the child? C'mon Saddi!! Dish me the rest of the story!

Seriously, other people's lives fascinate me!

 

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

Also an old bitter lady story.

Old lady who lived with both of her brothers. All three of them were in their 70s. Obviously something weird had gone on there! It took quite the digging before I got most of it. The family belonged to a very strict religious sect that eschewed most of the "modern" temptations. No drinking, no caffeine, no dancing, no slacks on girls etc.... The girl was actually set to be married when her mother became ill and father insisted she stay home to care for her. It was her "duty". By time mom died dad was sick. After 20 years the groom married some one else. One son did move out and married, but she was not of his religion and the marriage did not last despite the production of three children in rapid succession. (There is rumor that she left him after he beat her but I could never really get a good line on that piece.) So, the three siblings ended up back together in the house they were raised in. Nothing in the house had been changed from the day their mother died.

The woman became senile at a fairly young age and the brothers put her in a state home. The second brother started to lose his marbles and ended up in the same state home. Brother number three went into his house and basically never came out. They each died in turn and were missed by no one. They left behind the three children of the one brother, but they admitted they did not know him and were pretty shocked to discover they had been left the ramshackle house. The eldest told me he had not seen his father since he was 18.

Sad, huh?

When I knew the woman she was a snippy nasty piece of work always dressed like the 50s never ended. She hated kids, or appeared to, and was barely civil. She never finished high school, never drove a car, never danced one day. After she and I were much older and I learned her story I saw her differently and was able to see how very pretty she had clearly once been. Just a serious waste on a duty that did not need to consume her as it did......

Don't you wonder what that old lady's story is??

 

[deb1]

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Just jumping off your trivia...When I was much younger, I remember reading about a study in which the date that couples were married in the 1800's was compared to when the women had their first babies. An unusually high number were born too close to the marriage date to have been conceived after the wedding. I always thought that was fascinating. Our foremothers were no more pure then we are, they just had to get married if they weren't careful.

 

[deb1]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

Also an old bitter lady story.

Old lady who lived with both of her brothers. All three of them were in their 70s. Obviously something weird had gone on there! It took quite the digging before I got most of it. The family belonged to a very strict religious sect that eschewed most of the "modern" temptations. No drinking, no caffeine, no dancing, no slacks on girls etc.... The girl was actually set to be married when her mother became ill and father insisted she stay home to care for her. It was her "duty". By time mom died dad was sick. After 20 years the groom married some one else. One son did move out and married, but she was not of his religion and the marriage did not last despite the production of three children in rapid succession. (There is rumor that she left him after he beat her but I could never really get a good line on that piece.) So, the three siblings ended up back together in the house they were raised in. Nothing in the house had been changed from the day their mother died.

The woman became senile at a fairly young age and the brothers put her in a state home. The second brother started to lose his marbles and ended up in the same state home. Brother number three went into his house and basically never came out. They each died in turn and were missed by no one. They left behind the three children of the one brother, but they admitted they did not know him and were pretty shocked to discover they had been left the ramshackle house. The eldest told me he had not seen his father since he was 18.

Sad, huh?

When I knew the woman she was a snippy nasty piece of work always dressed like the 50s never ended. She hated kids, or appeared to, and was barely civil. She never finished high school, never drove a car, never danced one day. After she and I were much older and I learned her story I saw her differently and was able to see how very pretty she had clearly once been. Just a serious waste on a duty that did not need to consume her as it did......

Don't you wonder what that old lady's story is??

That is heartbreaking.​

 

[saddina]

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No parents in common for the brothers, both of thier parents had them, and then married.

 

[saddina]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

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OK?! I feel like I am on page 102 of a good story and I find the rest of the book is missing! So did he come back? Did they stay married? Does anyone ever speak of the nephew/son issue or does it stay a family secret? Who actually raises the child? C'mon Saddi!! Dish me the rest of the story!

Seriously, other people's lives fascinate me!

lol sorry. Yes he came back, couple of medals in tow, and settled down to doing the husband thing, got a good job as an engineer. The uncle who the son looked a bit too much like, continued with wild ways (remember we're talking the 70's and all of that). Sadly the mama hated being married to the nice good guy and ran out on him with another bad boy within a year of his return. Now the mama is on her 5th husband (in her 60's she's almost settled down). Mr saddi's father has remarried twice to women how are only there to spend his money (as much as I love him he's a doormat), and his only real bright spot are his two grandsons. The wayword brother became a fireman, and had 2 girls 10 years later once the 80's hit, and swinging was no longer considered approporate. Where mr saddi lived depended n who was married at the time, both of his parents picked spouses who didn't want children, so when mom married another deadbeat he was shipped off to dad, when dad got involved with women who disliked him, he'd be shipped back to mom. The fights over custody were about who's turn it was to take him. (At this point I should point out that as long as you fed him, gave him a library card, and left him to books, you'd not know he was there anyways) At 12 both parents were involved with people who didn't want him, so a neighbor "auntie" with no kids of her own took him in, he lived there for 10 years.

Bad as all that sounds it's still only a fraction of how screwed up my side of the family is. We're both the "normal" ones in crazy families.​

 

[saddina]

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Just jumping off your trivia...When I was much younger, I remember reading about a study in which the date that couples were married in the 1800's was compared to when the women had their first babies. An unusually high number were born too close to the marriage date to have been conceived after the wedding. I always thought that was fascinating. Our foremothers were no more pure then we are, they just had to get married if they weren't careful.

Which is why we have some great books on this topic, I think the one that's the most epic, is The Count of Monte Cristo

 

[ebwy]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

Also an old bitter lady story.

Old lady who lived with both of her brothers. All three of them were in their 70s. Obviously something weird had gone on there! It took quite the digging before I got most of it. The family belonged to a very strict religious sect that eschewed most of the "modern" temptations. No drinking, no caffeine, no dancing, no slacks on girls etc.... The girl was actually set to be married when her mother became ill and father insisted she stay home to care for her. It was her "duty". By time mom died dad was sick. After 20 years the groom married some one else. One son did move out and married, but she was not of his religion and the marriage did not last despite the production of three children in rapid succession. (There is rumor that she left him after he beat her but I could never really get a good line on that piece.) So, the three siblings ended up back together in the house they were raised in. Nothing in the house had been changed from the day their mother died.

The woman became senile at a fairly young age and the brothers put her in a state home. The second brother started to lose his marbles and ended up in the same state home. Brother number three went into his house and basically never came out. They each died in turn and were missed by no one. They left behind the three children of the one brother, but they admitted they did not know him and were pretty shocked to discover they had been left the ramshackle house. The eldest told me he had not seen his father since he was 18.

Sad, huh?

When I knew the woman she was a snippy nasty piece of work always dressed like the 50s never ended. She hated kids, or appeared to, and was barely civil. She never finished high school, never drove a car, never danced one day. After she and I were much older and I learned her story I saw her differently and was able to see how very pretty she had clearly once been. Just a serious waste on a duty that did not need to consume her as it did......

Don't you wonder what that old lady's story is??

that's a sad story

poor woman.

if you're wondering about my neighbour, as far as I know she was raised by her father and stepmother with a few stepsisters who she got on well with according to her. Had a boyfriend once, but I think she decided she didn't like it and chose to stay single. Bred dogs, and stayed living in the little cottage her father left her for her entire adult life. Has a total of 2 friends that we know of, but one of those is my fiance's mum who is nice to everyone. She comes here for christmas dinner because her own family don't invite her, as far as I can tell. Which is pretty sad. That's why I felt sorry for her and talked to her anyway...​