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Flameo said:
CochinBrahmaLover said:
Well doves and pigeons are the same thing. We just stay 'pigeon' for large breeds, and doves for smaller breeds (like ring neck dove). They're the same genus, so inter crossing is no different then a RIR crossing with a Serema, haha.
Though a ring neck dove crossing with a feral (most people call rock doves ferals since pigeons often escape and cross with them, round here at least xD ) might then out weird due to the beak difference, lol!
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Doves and pigeons are definitely NOT the same thing! Rock doves are genetically not actually doves, they are pigeons. They can crossbreed, but the babies (called mules) would be sterile - pretty much the same as a horse and a donkey crossing (also called mules). Much different than a RIR and a serama :)

Ring neck dove - streptopelia capicola
Rock dove/and the breeds descended from it - columba livia

Homing pigeons, show breeds etc. are all descended from the rock dove/feral pigeon.
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Most certainly they are. Know the difference? Dove is from the German word 'taube', pigeon is from the France word, pigeon. Lol.
If you google it, go to Wikipedia. Pigeon is under rock pigeon, and I used to mourning dove. The only difference was the 'species', which makes sense (a gypsy vanner and a thoroughbred are different breeds, but that doesn't prevent them from being horses). The thing is, we've made domestic pigeons from the rock dove. We haven't devolped any domestic breeds from a ring neck dove or a band tailed pigeon, then expecting fertile offspring from a cross of a domestic pigeons and a ring neck dove is ridiculous. That's like breeding a domestic rabbit to a wild rabbit... If they can breed, of course it's going to produce mules. And then, breeding a ring neck dove to a rock pigeon is also going to mules... You can't, in general, breed 2 species together and expect fertile offspring. Same if you bred a band tailed dove to a ring neck dove. Same if you bred a hare to a snowshoe hare.
Simply google it - lots of different resources that can back me up.
Not to turn this into a debate, sorry xD !
 
CochinBrahmaLover said:
Most certainly they are. Know the difference?
If you google it, go to Wikipedia. Pigeon is under rock pigeon, and I used to mourning dove. The only difference was the 'species', which makes sense (a gypsy vanner and a thoroughbred are different breeds, but that doesn't prevent them from being horses). The thing is, we've made domestic pigeons from the rock dove. We haven't devolped any domestic breeds from a ring neck dove or a band tailed pigeon, then expecting fertile offspring from a cross of a domestic pigeons and a ring neck dove is ridiculous. That's like breeding a domestic rabbit to a wild rabbit... If they can breed, of course it's going to produce mules. And then, breeding a ring neck dove to a rock pigeon is also going to mules... You can't, in general, breed 2 species together and expect fertile offspring. Same if you bred a band tailed dove to a ring neck dove. Same if you bred a hare to a snowshoe hare.
Simply google it - lots of different resources that can back me up.
Not to turn this into a debate, sorry xD !
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CBL, the more you post on this, the more confused (or maybe just confusing) you seem to be. Mourning doves are Zenaida macroura. Band tailed Pigeons are Patagioenas fasciata. Ring-necked doves are Streptopelia capicola. The bird most people know simply as a Pigeon and its ancestor the Rock Dove are Columba livia. These aren't merely different breeds or different species, they are entirely different genera. Sometimes different species can interbreed, and occasionally the hybrid offspring are even fertile. While there have been a few rare inter-genera crosses among domestic birds, they are extremely rare, and the few offspring that have actually hatched hardly ever lived very long.

Things can get confusing because some people use the words "Pigeon" and "Dove" interchangeably. The white birds released at weddings, for example, are commonly referred to as doves, but they are domesticated white descendants of the Rock Dove and perhaps should be called Pigeons (they are Homing Pigeons, usually). You could breed one of those so-called doves to any other breed of Pigeon (a Birmingham Roller, for example) and produce fertile offspring, because the birds are the same species. But if a guy around here were going hunting during dove season, he wouldn't be shooting at any type of pigeons, you can bet on that!
 
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Bunnylady said:
CochinBrahmaLover said:
Most certainly they are. Know the difference? If you google it, go to Wikipedia. Pigeon is under rock pigeon, and I used to mourning dove. The only difference was the 'species', which makes sense (a gypsy vanner and a thoroughbred are different breeds, but that doesn't prevent them from being horses). The thing is, we've made domestic pigeons from the rock dove. We haven't devolped any domestic breeds from a ring neck dove or a band tailed pigeon, then expecting fertile offspring from a cross of a domestic pigeons and a ring neck dove is ridiculous. That's like breeding a domestic rabbit to a wild rabbit... If they can breed, of course it's going to produce mules. And then, breeding a ring neck dove to a rock pigeon is also going to mules... You can't, in general, breed 2 species together and expect fertile offspring. Same if you bred a band tailed dove to a ring neck dove. Same if you bred a hare to a snowshoe hare. Simply google it - lots of different resources that can back me up. Not to turn this into a debate, sorry xD !
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CBL, the more you post on this, the more confused (or maybe just confusing) you seem to be. Mourning doves are Zenaida macroura. Band tailed Pigeons are Patagioenas fasciata. Ring-necked doves are Streptopelia capicola. The bird most people know simply as a Pigeon and its ancestor the Rock Dove are Columba livia. These aren't merely different breeds or different species, they are entirely different genera. Sometimes different species can interbreed, and occasionally the hybrid offspring are even fertile. While there have been a few rare inter-genera crosses among domestic birds, they are extremely rare, and the few offspring that have actually hatched hardly ever lived very long. Things can get confusing because some people use the words "Pigeon" and "Dove" interchangeably. The white birds released at weddings, for example, are commonly referred to as doves, but they are domesticated white descendants of the Rock Dove and perhaps should be called Pigeons (they are Homing Pigeons, usually). You could breed one of those so-called doves to any other breed of Pigeon (a Birmingham Roller, for example) and produce fertile offspring, because the birds are the same species. But if a guy around here were going hunting during dove season, he wouldn't be shooting at any type of pigeons, you can bet on that!
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My. Point. I'm terrible at debates and my argument doesn't make sense to me anymore. LOL. pigeon and dove = same thing. Ie, rock dove = rock pigeon, ring necked dove = ring necked pigeon. That's why I even replied to flameo, she was saying dove & pigeons are different, but I was (terribly) trying to point out that pigeons and doves were the same thing, simply the species themselves differed. (Ie ring neck dove different then rock dove, but both can referred to as pigeons or doves) Sorry, I realized I made no sense and that I just sounded so off!!
 
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Umm, okay...
 
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