Oh no, another chicken.... Black Wound?!

[Bossmode]

Thank you ^ tomorrow will be the funeral where she will Rest In Peace beside the other poor chicky I lost 3 weeks ago.

So sad, can't get over it

 

[Bossmode]

Sorry for starting this thread back up, but I had another chicken die today... this time a 2 1/2 month old that was seperated from the coop I had this and the last sick chicken in, thinking about getting a autopsy done.
Also one of my 4 month old roosters died 1 week ago 'randomly', that was in the same area as my 2 1/2 month old.
This is getting ridiculous!

Been calling the vet today as I am trying hard to get Amprolium or Corid 9.6% as I suspect my whole flock is infested with coccidiosis.
I live in Canada and she did not really have an answer to what is available, I NEED something to cure this NOW, as I have had 4 chickens die within the last month and time is running out.
I can't have my whole flock of 50 chickens die.

I did notice the little 2 1/2 month old a couple days ago not having energy, standing right by the oil heater, fluffed up and dropped wings, i knew something was wrong, today dead.

I got one more adult hen with low energy and also was off balance yesterday, i gave her a dosage of the coccidiosis antibiotics i had left over from the chicken that died in this thread, and she seems a bit better today tho i don't have anymore of that stuff and it was given orally. I need a solution ASAP

 

[OneMountainAcres]

Hopefully you can get your hands on some Corid or something similar. Sounds like your flock needs it. The good news is it shouldn't be a problem again once they've been treated. You'd have to treat any new birds you bring in later if they start showing symptoms.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I'm so sorry to hear you are struggling. It would be a good idea to have more testing done. If you lose another, sending the body for necropsy may give you more information too.

As for Amprolium (Corid). Look on Ebay to see if there's anyone who ships to Canada.
You can also try local Pigeon Supply houses (do you have that?).
A couple of other sources to look into would be Amazon - you can find Coxoid and Coccivet.

If the vet can't give you any Amprolium, then see if they are willing to give you enough
Toltrazuril Baycox 5% to treat those that are sick. Also if you know anyone who raises cattle, they might be able to give you Corid (Amprolium) that they have. Corid here in the US is found in cattle sections of stores.

In the meantime, I really would give those sick birds buttermilk with white rice. If you are confident it's Coccidiosis, give NO extra vitamins that contain B1 (Thiamine).

Also wherever your housing them - try to keep bedding cleaned up and as dry as you can. Water stations (and feed bowl) free of poop as well. I'm not saying that you aren't doing this - but chickens poop everywhere and sometimes kick material into food/water - ingesting a bit of poop when they eat/drink, this will only add to the Coccidia that's in there system and that they are overloaded with. Coccidia flourish in warm damp bedding/water, etc.
Sick chickens also need warmth - aim for 75-80F.

US supplier https://www.jedds.com/shop/corid/
Amazon Canada Coccivet https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=coccivet&ref=nb_sb_noss
Amazon Canada Coxoid https://www.amazon.ca/Petlife-Harke...=sr_1_1?keywords=coxoid&qid=1574169757&sr=8-1

BC Testing/Necropsy https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/...ls-and-crops/animal-health/pathology-necropsy

 

[Bossmode]

I'm so sorry to hear you are struggling. It would be a good idea to have more testing done. If you lose another, sending the body for necropsy may give you more information too.

As for Amprolium (Corid). Look on Ebay to see if there's anyone who ships to Canada.
You can also try local Pigeon Supply houses (do you have that?).
A couple of other sources to look into would be Amazon - you can find Coxoid and Coccivet.

If the vet can't give you any Amprolium, then see if they are willing to give you enough
Toltrazuril Baycox 5% to treat those that are sick. Also if you know anyone who raises cattle, they might be able to give you Corid (Amprolium) that they have. Corid here in the US is found in cattle sections of stores.

In the meantime, I really would give those sick birds buttermilk with white rice. If you are confident it's Coccidiosis, give NO extra vitamins that contain B1 (Thiamine).

Also wherever your housing them - try to keep bedding cleaned up and as dry as you can. Water stations (and feed bowl) free of poop as well. I'm not saying that you aren't doing this - but chickens poop everywhere and sometimes kick material into food/water - ingesting a bit of poop when they eat/drink, this will only add to the Coccidia that's in there system and that they are overloaded with. Coccidia flourish in warm damp bedding/water, etc.
Sick chickens also need warmth - aim for 75-80F.

US supplier https://www.jedds.com/shop/corid/
Amazon Canada Coccivet https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=coccivet&ref=nb_sb_noss
Amazon Canada Coxoid https://www.amazon.ca/Petlife-Harke...=sr_1_1?keywords=coxoid&qid=1574169757&sr=8-1

BC Testing/Necropsy https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/...ls-and-crops/animal-health/pathology-necropsy

Thank you very much for taking your time for the write up!

Problem with this medicine into Canada it is all restricted and requires the vet to bring it in. Else it will just be confiscated at the border if they open the package.

The wife was able to get Amprolium Amprol 9.6% at the vet today. 2.5mL/per L of water 7 days, after that 0.75mL/per L of water for 7 days....

I have 3 sections in my coop of chickens, combined they drink 8-10L a day=25mL of Amprolium Amprol 9.6%.

The vet only gave us 30mL....?! That is for today/tomorrow, the vial is already done. 21$ for that vial, insane.

I googled that medicine and the US sells 1 gal (4 L) for 80USD (~120$ CAD not even)

So...


120$÷4000mL=.03$/mL

versus us paying at our Vet

21$÷30mL=.7$/mL

So that is 2800$ CAD for 4L (1 Gal).

I feel ripped off! We been with this vet for years, our dogs, cats all animals.

So we will be paying close to 200$ for 240mL? Where in the US you can get 4000mL for 120$.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Thank you very much for taking your time for the write up!

Problem with this medicine into Canada it is all restricted and requires the vet to bring it in. Else it will just be confiscated at the border if they open the package.

The wife was able to get Amprolium Amprol 9.6% at the vet today. 2.5mL/per L of water 7 days, after that 0.75mL/per L of water for 7 days....

I have 3 sections in my coop of chickens, combined they drink 8-10L a day=25mL of Amprolium Amprol 9.6%.

The vet only gave us 30mL....?! That is for today/tomorrow, the vial is already done. 21$ for that vial, insane.

I googled that medicine and the US sells 1 gal (4 L) for 80USD (~120$ CAD not even)

So...


120$÷4000mL=.03$/mL

versus us paying at our Vet

21$÷30mL=.7$/mL

So that is 2800$ CAD for 4L (1 Gal).

I feel ripped off! We been with this vet for years, our dogs, cats all animals.

So we will be paying close to 200$ for 240mL? Where in the US you can get 4000mL for 120$.

I'm sorry about your troubles, but am glad that you were able to get some Amprolium.

Do you happen to have any livestock vets in your area? A consult with them may be worth investigating.

 

[Bossmode]

I'm sorry about your troubles, but am glad that you were able to get some Amprolium.

Do you happen to have any livestock vets in your area? A consult with them may be worth investigating.

No worries you guys are making things better and are an enormous help!

Yes atleast they are getting the stuff they need now. Does amprol work against 9 or 10 strains of coccidiosis as well, just like corid?

The vet (clinic) we are dealing with they do everything, from 400 cattle, to cats, dogs, horses the whole works.
Just usually people in our hillbilly region do not worry about chickens as much as I do, so they don't get many chickens in, hence why they are not very familiar with them (yet) haha, getting there it seems!

 

[Wyorp Rock]

No worries you guys are making things better and are an enormous help!

Yes atleast they are getting the stuff they need now. Does amprol work against 9 or 10 strains of coccidiosis as well, just like corid?

The vet (clinic) we are dealing with they do everything, from 400 cattle, to cats, dogs, horses the whole works.
Just usually people in our hillbilly region do not worry about chickens as much as I do, so they don't get many chickens in, hence why they are not very familiar with them (yet) haha, getting there it seems!

Corid is Amprolium.
This gives a fairly good overview of how Amprolium works. http://www.poultrymed.com/Amprolium Since it's a Thiamine antagonist, most all information/vet drug manuals recommend not to give Thiamine in excess during the treatment period. I have found nothing that tells what "excess" is, so what I would do is feed your normal feed, but do not offer any "extra" vitamins/supplements that contain Thiamine (B1) for the treatment period.

AFTER all your treatment(s) are finished, then I would add some poultry vitamins to the water 1-2 times a week. Probiotics (buttermilk, purchased Probios, etc.) would be a good idea for a couple of days too.

 

[Bossmode]

Had another 2 1/2 month old die today, this is getting ridiculous.

I was at work and the wife said she took 2 chicks to the vet as they were breathing heavy like then one that just died 2 days ago ...
One of them died at the vets... they will do an autopsy on her for 240$ CAD.

We got more antibiotics prescribed for respiratory issues, added with the Amprolium. She gave us 240mL more of the Amprolium Amprol 9.6% for 20 bucks, happy about that!

 

[OneMountainAcres]

Aww, I'm so sorry I really hope this gets figured out soon