OH, NO....Is she actually a HE? EE or Ameraucana?

[The Moonshiner]

So... what do you think of this red pattern?

Not really sure exactly what pattern that one has so no comment.
Sorry

 

[The Moonshiner]

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How about these? One of my "amerucanas" from feed store has no tail!

So you raised it from a chick? Didn't have an injury?
I picked up a juvenile speckled sussex cockerel one time that had been feather picked pretty bad in the tail area.
He healed fairly quickly but never grew a single tail feather again. We had him about 3 years before I got out of that breed.
He sire many chicks none of which were tailess but that wasn't a surprise.

 

[Glitterchicks]

Not really sure exactly what pattern that one has so no comment.
Sorry

You mentioned having red in the feathers near the top of the wings being a possible sign of a roo... or is this not enough red to be relevant?

 

[TheDirtyLawyer]

Yep. Don't get me wrong - I've got no problem with EE's! Until recently, I'd never even heard of either. I just like the self-blue color, the bantam size, the beard, and the temperament I've been told the Ameraucana have... and I couldn't give a fig about the eggs (Shameful secret - I don't like eggs, except for hatching). So... if I'm going to get what I want, best to be sure of what I'm getting!

So you raised it from a chick? Didn't have an injury?
I picked up a juvenile speckled sussex cockerel one time that had been feather picked pretty bad in the tail area.
He healed fairly quickly but never grew a single tail feather again. We had him about 3 years before I got out of that breed.
He sire many chicks none of which were tailess but that wasn't a surprise.

We'll when I got it it looked like its body was too short if that makes sense? So it looked different from the start and I wondered about it. It had pasty butt everyday for a week or so and it had a blockage that eventually cleared. I wondered if maybe the butt soaking and daily wiping caused it to grow it's tail feathers slower but after looking at it I don't think bc it has a tail bone.

Here it is as a baby. It's in the back closest to the plate. There's another lighter color Easter egger u can see in the picture that I got on the same day and it's body is just different and longer. It looks like there are two bones on the sides but no bone in the middle at all... it's just kinda round. ‍ They said all these were females but I worried it might be a boy bc it looked like it stood differently.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Here's what I was talking about...

These are brown leghorn. This pattern is referred to as gold duckwing.
Note the hens reddish breast and the roosters red areas and the darker red on shoulders.
Now if you add dominate white to these the white tries to cover everything but can't cover the reds.....

When these chicks hatch out they're white and it takes a while for the reds to come in.
You can see the hens have red breast and males don't. With pullets that's where the red shows up first.
On cockerels you can see the darker patch. Females won't have that and it is the first area to show up on male chicks.
Here is a couple examples of birds to see what they look like in real birds.

It works for a few patterns but yes it doesn't work for any and every white and red birds.
I bred a lot of these kinda birds crossing white and brown leghorns. That's all I'm going by is my experience from that.
For me it is about the area where the red comes in at and where it comes in first that makes me say what I did about both the white/red chicks pictured.
I'd have to go back and look at your last pic again and see what I think.

 

[The Moonshiner]

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We'll when I got it it looked like its body was too short if that makes sense? So it looked different from the start and I wondered about it. It had pasty butt everyday for a week or so and it had a blockage that eventually cleared. I wondered if maybe the butt soaking and daily wiping caused it to grow it's tail feathers slower but after looking at it I don't think bc it has a tail bone.

Here it is as a baby. It's in the back closest to the plate. There's another lighter color Easter egger u can see in the picture that I got on the same day and it's body is just different and longer. It looks like there are two bones on the sides but no bone in the middle at all... it's just kinda round. ‍ They said all these were females but I worried it might be a boy bc it looked like it stood differently.

Ya I would say it is just a birth defect.

 

[TheDirtyLawyer]

Ya I would say it is just a birth defect.

Wonder if that's what caused all the pooping issues! That was a nightmare. I ended up having to apply some pressure to help it poop ... never done anything that gross before!

 

[TheDirtyLawyer]

Here's what I was talking about...
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These are brown leghorn. This pattern is referred to as gold duckwing.
Note the hens reddish breast and the roosters red areas and the darker red on shoulders.
Now if you add dominate white to these the white tries to cover everything but can't cover the reds.....
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When these chicks hatch out they're white and it takes a while for the reds to come in.
You can see the hens have red breast and males don't. With pullets that's where the red shows up first.
On cockerels you can see the darker patch. Females won't have that and it is the first area to show up on male chicks.
Here is a couple examples of birds to see what they look like in real birds.
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It works for a few patterns but yes it doesn't work for any and every white and red birds.
I bred a lot of these kinda birds crossing white and brown leghorns. That's all I'm going by is my experience from that.
For me it is about the area where the red comes in at and where it comes in first that makes me say what I did about both the white/red chicks pictured.
I'd have to go back and look at your last pic again and see what I think.

Yes mine has reddish brown feathers coming in on wings like the last pic.

 

[bruceha2000]

This is some fascinating stuff! Who knew there would be so much to learn!

None of us until we decided to get chickens!!! For instance, did you know that it is the hen, not the rooster, that determines the gender of the chick? Or that lineage isn't important in APA breeds like it is in AKC dogs (and any other mammal I guess). If it LOOKS like what it is supposed to look like and it breeds 50% true, it is "pure". People cross in other breeds to get traits they want to improve. I was when I read that. The genetics (which I DO NOT understand !!) are quite complicated, so many genes that interact, which are recessive which are dominant. I think I would hurt myself if I tried to understand it.

 

[TheDirtyLawyer]

Ya I would say it is just a birth defect.

Here's what I was talking about...
View attachment 1356168
These are brown leghorn. This pattern is referred to as gold duckwing.
Note the hens reddish breast and the roosters red areas and the darker red on shoulders.
Now if you add dominate white to these the white tries to cover everything but can't cover the reds.....
View attachment 1356169
When these chicks hatch out they're white and it takes a while for the reds to come in.
You can see the hens have red breast and males don't. With pullets that's where the red shows up first.
On cockerels you can see the darker patch. Females won't have that and it is the first area to show up on male chicks.
Here is a couple examples of birds to see what they look like in real birds.
View attachment 1356178 View attachment 1356179 View attachment 1356180 View attachment 1356181
It works for a few patterns but yes it doesn't work for any and every white and red birds.
I bred a lot of these kinda birds crossing white and brown leghorns. That's all I'm going by is my experience from that.
For me it is about the area where the red comes in at and where it comes in first that makes me say what I did about both the white/red chicks pictured.
I'd have to go back and look at your last pic again and see what I think.

The breeder said she will not replace him but will give me another one. I will be looking for NO red on wings... anything else?