Ok.. so I'm not buying the whole.... Updated with pics...breeding hens

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I'm know that's true, genetic issues get really complex. I have to wonder though, how deep you really need to get? Basics selective breeding is keeping the best ones, and breeding them, then keep the best and breed those, and so on. If you have brown egg layers bred to brown egg layers, you're gonna get more brown egg layers. It doesn't matter that you don't know exactly what gene controls the brown pigment.

A lot of people, throughout history, have successfully bred animals for the traits they wanted, and developed a good, strong, stable breed, without knowing all that. Good breeding was being done before DNA was ever discovered.

Seems to me that one of the problems of our advanced scientific knowledge is the tendency to over analyze and micromanage every little thing.

Most of us who lean toward the sustainable poultry, accept that we won't have the super fast growers or the super producing egg layers. What we will have, or what we hope for, (this is my personal hope, others may have a different take on this) is a healthy line of birds that make a reasonably sized table bird in 16-20 weeks, and hens that lay a reasonable number of eggs. They don't have to set records.

A lot of people (and I'm not saying you are one of them, I know almost nothing about you) have bought into the idea that everything has to be the biggest, the fastest, the most, etc. The concept of "enough" has gotten lost. Our health and our environment, and our wallets have shown the real cost of all this. I, and many others, are saying "enough", is good enough.

The idea of breeding the X's down a little, and getting a reasonably good, sustainable meat bird has great appeal, to me. I'm wanting to try it, along with my other experiments.

Yes exactly very well said, good points one and all. and I am trying that same approach with the emphasis on meat quality at a later age.

Good to hear you guy's are working with breeder stock with your Buck's.

AL
 
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Yeah, probably! Whereas on my dark ones, the feathers are gone, there's just a little pigment left!
 
I currently have some rock hens that are just now a year old at 12 lbs and get around great, their meat is firm yet subtle and tender, they were obtained from a university project stock in California. My Cornish are the Rare White standards of exceptional quality, very stately birds.

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Nubby gloves? Got a pic? or a brand name or something?

Home Depot! Just the blue nubby rubber ones. I wanted full coating but had to settle for cloth backs. The feathers just zip off. I read about them in a different post and tried them. Works great.
 
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If you are talking the Cornish X, no it isn't, not in a technical sense. No bird that you have to ship in every season is.

But perhaps we are talking different semantics.
 
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If you are talking the Cornish X, no it isn't, not in a technical sense. No bird that you have to ship in every season is.

But perhaps we are talking different semantics.

I'm just saying if you wanted to, and worked with what you had. The hybrids you would produce would be highly sustainable. However it would be a smart idea to have enough of them to sell chicks to neighbors so you can help offset your feed cost.

The cornish rocks are just like any other chicken, they breed... lay eggs... ect. There is no reason why you couldn't breed them to get chicks. You may only get them to lay a season or two but they still would be sustainable. Just not as durable as a DP... but hey you can't have everything.
 
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If you are talking the Cornish X, no it isn't, not in a technical sense. No bird that you have to ship in every season is.

But perhaps we are talking different semantics.

The cornish rocks are just like any other chicken, they breed... lay eggs... ect. There is no reason why you couldn't breed them to get chicks. You may only get them to lay a season or two but they still would be sustainable. Just not as durable as a DP... but hey you can't have everything.

This so true, of course you can there is nothing that says it won't work. The whole thing is your average joe would certainly be overwhelmed by the mere thought of it. I guess I am saying the average joe will struggle with the management of the bird up to P.O.L................ I have faith in the fact that you could do it Jeff without a hitch, I have seen your operation, U Da Man.


AL
 
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Hey everybody! I have been out taking pics today and thought I would share my ideas on who is going to be on my meatie project. The DC are finally putting on some bulk. The rocks are good enough for me for now and they are finally laying so now I can work on type with them too! They are picking the wall so I have to board it up, please ignore, the bird part was good!
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