Hey Carl why cant i open your byc page now.. i wanted to look at the aframes more as i want to try and make some.. i posted to you a few pages back about the info on them but guess you missed it.. Wayne sent me what you sent him but i cant get the pics or the doc. to open form to read it... so i thought i might be able to look at the pics on your site and maybe go from there but now your page goes to something else..man i guess i need some computer classes ..lol...