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[artsyrobin]

i think this boy may be sight challenged, Jojo is the livingroom guard

 

[subhanalah]

Oh yes that makes much more sense... I was just pointing out that if the chicks are trying to align themselves at that time wouldn't that also be affected by turning the eggs? I don't see how handling the eggs for candling is any different than turning or a hen's movement of the eggs over the course of a day. Some turners rock side to side, some people turn them on their side, but it's still going to shift the embryos in the egg I would think? Just thinking out loud.

I believe it has to so with the light disorienting the embryos during that alignment process. I'm trying to find the link to the actual information instead of my scant memory of it. Here it is.

http://www.slideshare.net/HenryArts/pas-reform-academy-2012 page 28

 

[bardies]

I have been having issues with Coons eathing the chicken feed the last week, so i put the feeders inside. Well this morning i went to let everyone out and on my 3 month old pen, there was feathers every where. Opened up the coop and two dead cochin and one missing

Looking around the only way it could have gotten in is at the top of the coop is a vented area, but it is no larger then 4 inches by 6 inches. There where feathers around that area so he had to have gotten in that way, killed two and took the other one off. I am so mad at myself, should have put wire on the vented area especially since i have been seeing and having coon problems. There was a buff bantam cochin rooster and his girl in with the 3 month olds, The coon got to the rooster but is he still alive, but looks like on his left ear there is a puncture wound so he probably lost his hearing. Anyway I have him isolated right now.

So the rest of the day will be putting up hardware cloth where it should of been in the first place and making sure all doors and windows are coon proofed on all of my coops.

So very sorry to hear as well. Be carefull too - now that the coons are going after fowl and not just fowl food ... if your birds sleep next to the wire at all, the coons will reach in and grab a piece of sleeping bird...not a pretty sight what remains.

On the puncture wound - not a good thing - bacteria will get in and can be near impossible to get out. Think about hydrogen peroxide for an intial cleaning. But not multiple times - I understand that it kills things (bacteria, etc) but that it will also kill healthy cells too, so you don't want to keep using it. X2 on the vetricin if you have, maybe bacitracin too. Isolation is good, dark is also good. They don't stress as much in the dark.

 

[subhanalah]

when can eggs in batter be candled ?

i candle day 5, 10 and right before lockdown, the less handling the better...

There is a study that states not to candle eggs from day 11-14 due to the embryos aligning during that time along an axis and candling can cause malposition?

Oh yes that makes much more sense... I was just pointing out that if the chicks are trying to align themselves at that time wouldn't that also be affected by turning the eggs? I don't see how handling the eggs for candling is any different than turning or a hen's movement of the eggs over the course of a day. Some turners rock side to side, some people turn them on their side, but it's still going to shift the embryos in the egg I would think? Just thinking out loud.

You did not say 'turning the eggs' but when most folks candle (which you were talking about) the eggs get handled and turned and get light shone through them at all angles.

There are studies for everything and some of them have really good information, and some of them just don't apply. I remember I posted in one incubation thread if anybody had done a study to simulate the cooldown period of a hen leaving her nest to eat, and if that would increase the hatchrate of incubated eggs... and everybody who responded said something like "Why do that? Thats just silly and pointless." And right after that Brinsea came out with the cooldown simulator timing feaure on their incubator. Apparently somebody was studying it. For a lot of people, this information won't apply, but for those who candle frequently and have troubled hatches, it might be worth considering.

http://www.slideshare.net/HenryArts/pas-reform-academy-2012 page 28

I have had great success by opening the incubator every day during incubation for about 5-20 minutes per day. Lol

I have been having issues with Coons eathing the chicken feed the last week, so i put the feeders inside. Well this morning i went to let everyone out and on my 3 month old pen, there was feathers every where. Opened up the coop and two dead cochin and one missing Looking around the only way it could have gotten in is at the top of the coop is a vented area, but it is no larger then 4 inches by 6 inches. There where feathers around that area so he had to have gotten in that way, killed two and took the other one off. I am so mad at myself, should have put wire on the vented area especially since i have been seeing and having coon problems. There was a buff bantam cochin rooster and his girl in with the 3 month olds, The coon got to the rooster but is he still alive, but looks like on his left ear there is a puncture wound so he probably lost his hearing. Anyway I have him isolated right now. So the rest of the day will be putting up hardware cloth where it should of been in the first place and making sure all doors and windows are coon proofed on all of my coops.

i am so sorry! get him on duramycin also as a precaution- spray with vetrycin- don't be hard on yourself, it happens to all of us! you get stronger and beat the dang coon. Is it possible to get those light setups, can't think of the name, but they blink red off and on, have heard they work well.

@greenbeetlesorry to hear about your losses. I'm glad you are able to take action today. As for duramycin, I've been told it is useless for skin type infections and only really works for digestive and respiratory ailments. I could have it wrong, but it's worth double checking, no use using a useless antibiotic, especially when you could be using something that'll take care of the problem instead.

 

[miohippus]

@mjgigax one of my girls i got from you has gone broody she has one egg that is hers and tree polish eggs i have not been able to collect because when i put my hand in she pecks me so i just let her have them. So we will see how it goes.


she jump off, when i put feed in the feeder so that is how i know how many are under her.

 

[NanaKat]

Miohippus, if you know the hatch date, you might be able to get a few extra chicks to give her to raise. Hen raised chicks are much more healthy than box raised. A Bantam can handle 6 to 8 chicks while a large fowl can raise up to a dozen.

 

[miohippus]

Miohippus, if you know the hatch date, you might be able to get a few extra chicks to give her to raise. Hen raised chicks are much more healthy than box raised. A Bantam can handle 6 to 8 chicks while a large fowl can raise up to a dozen.

My dh told me my coop is at max capacity and not to get any more unless i get rid of some, i don't think he would like for me to get more i have already been trying to decide what to take to poops because my daughter wants a black or blue silkie and i want a blue egg layer. I have not told him about the eggs yet

 

[greenbeetle]

So very sorry to hear as well. Be carefull too - now that the coons are going after fowl and not just fowl food ... if your birds sleep next to the wire at all, the coons will reach in and grab a piece of sleeping bird...not a pretty sight what remains.

On the puncture wound - not a good thing - bacteria will get in and can be near impossible to get out. Think about hydrogen peroxide for an intial cleaning. But not multiple times - I understand that it kills things (bacteria, etc) but that it will also kill healthy cells too, so you don't want to keep using it. X2 on the vetricin if you have, maybe bacitracin too. Isolation is good, dark is also good. They don't stress as much in the dark.

All my birds go into coops (or should i say i have to round some of them up, they have not learn how to go to bed on their own..lol). I make sure every night they are locked down, so they don't sleep out at night. Spent today putting hardware cloth on all vented areas on my coops, anything that looked remotely possible for somethiing to get in, I covered it. The buff cochin rooster is eating and drinking and alert, so I am hopeful he will pull thru.

@greenbeetle sorry to hear about your losses. I'm glad you are able to take action today.
As for duramycin, I've been told it is useless for skin type infections and only really works for digestive and respiratory ailments. I could have it wrong, but it's worth double checking, no use using a useless antibiotic, especially when you could be using something that'll take care of the problem instead.

Thank you, like i said above , I spent the day safe guarding my coops. The Rooster seems to be much better, alert, and eating and drinking.

 

[Kassaundra]

Has chickenfan4life posted lately??? I don't remember seeing any in this past few days, but I may have just overlooked it, it has been busy.


Normally I wouldn't worry to much about someone not posting for several days, just concerned b/c of her recent injury.

 

[subhanalah]

Has chickenfan4life posted lately???  I don't remember seeing any in this past few days, but I may have just overlooked it, it has been busy.


Normally I wouldn't worry to much about someone not posting for several days, just concerned b/c of her recent injury.

@Chickenfan4life