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[Ironsights]

It's not about not making the meds.  It's about the FDA making the meds RX only to reduce antibiotic overuse.  From my understanding this applies right now mainly to meds added to feed- and that they may be expanding it to meds added to water.  Some meds are no longer allowed in combination but singally they are OK.  Tylan, Penicillin, Oxytetracycline, and Tetracycline are on this list.  Corid/Sulmet and Denagard are not.  For now this does not affect injectable versions.  I'm unsure on whether it affects powdered versions yet but I'm guessing it does.  This is going to be a tough change for those of us used to treating our birds ourselves without a vet visit.

Some of the antibiotics my wife gives to her patients have gone from $14 to $1400.

 

[artsyrobin]

on the snake issue- am trying 'fox urine' near the nest boxes, suddenly i am getting eggs again

And here I thought fox urine was just a cover scent for hunting. I'm getting a fresh bottle but I'll have to hold my nose to get the eggs! Where did you get the idea?[/QUOTE]
my inlaws had some, apparently foxes will prey on snakes, so snakes avoid them- did a search for snake repellants and that is one it explained- hopefully that will take care of the problem

 

[Ironsights]

my inlaws had some, apparently foxes will prey on snakes, so snakes avoid them- did a search for snake repellants and that is one it explained- hopefully that will take care of the problem

Hopefully, I lost a week old chick last night

 

[NanaKat]

Quote:
The newest FDA "letter" that came out in June states that veterinarians will have a client relationship where they will "oversee" the use of these antibiotics on livestock. These guidelines will take effect in Dec 2016.
In otherwords, we will still be able to treat our animals without taking each animal to the vet when one gets sick. For some of us, this won't change much from what we already do. We buy some meds from the vet or get a prescription so we can order it online. With the cattle, we discuss issues with the vet before taking in a cow. Many we can treat at home because certain issues crop up all the time...like a lame foot...treated with iodine, Kopertox and LA200 shots.

Many of the products used on larger livestock can be modified for poultry...this off-script use is what the FDA is addressing along with the feed additives that have been overused in recent years.

IMO...Most vets do not treat avian issues unless their client is a big hatchery or a large operation. Their client relationship with the small flock/backyard owner will probably be more advisory oversight rather than actual hands on oversight. These guidelines are still being developed.....

 

[artsyrobin]

Quote:
The newest FDA "letter" that came out in June states that veterinarians will have a client relationship where they will "oversee" the use of these antibiotics on livestock. These guidelines will take effect in Dec 2016.
In otherwords, we will still be able to treat our animals without taking each animal to the vet when one gets sick. For some of us, this won't change much from what we already do. We buy some meds from the vet or get a prescription so we can order it online. With the cattle, we discuss issues with the vet before taking in a cow. Many we can treat at home because certain issues crop up all the time...like a lame foot...treated with iodine, Kopertox and LA200 shots.

Many of the products used on larger livestock can be modified for poultry...this off-script use is what the FDA is addressing along with the feed additives that have been overused in recent years.

IMO...Most vets do not treat avian issues unless their client is a big hatchery or a large operation. Their client relationship with the small flock/backyard owner will probably be more advisory oversight rather than actual hands on oversight. These guidelines are still being developed.....
my only problem at this point- i see it alot online, lack of availability of specifically chicken vets- or the choice not to have a vet involved- too


haven't had any issues with the snake at the nest box, so maybe the fox urine is working

 

[Kassaundra]

Does anyone have need or want for a male silver seabright? He is not aggressive. We got him as company for a lone chick, and just really have no need for such a small chicken. He is grown, probably near 6 months old, but hasn't gotten any bigger in a long time. He is interested in girls and treat calls, but we have to isolate him from the flock b/c Shakespear would kill him for sure.

He would be free.

 

[Kramer Farms]

Do any of you guys know anything about the auction in Maud on Thursdays?

 

[Poco Pollo]

More than a dozen free-range birds missed roll call tonight. They usually greet me at the side door to the barn, where they get a small snack before I lock the doors and windows. I went back to the house for a flashlight (I thought I'd be finished before dark), and when I returned to the barn it was eerily quiet. I checked all the usual places, like behind the feed barrels and under the work bench, but I couldn't find any sign of my bug patrol.

I swept the mostly-empty shelves with the beam of my flashlight. The shelves on the west wall were empty, as were those on the north wall. I lit the shelves on the east wall and stopped. No chickens, but something was wrong. There was a rope or hose looped in a strange way on one of the higher shelves. Ropes and hoses aren't stored on shelves, and they're coiled. "Wrong, wrong, wrong," I told myself. Something warm grazed my ear and tapped my shoulder. My nose told me what to expect before I turned my head, but my brain told me that it couldn't be so. I pointed the light up, and the rafters swelled with calls and warnings from my missing dozen.




With poop on my shoulder adrenalin in my veins, I pointed my light in the direction all my birds were facing. There, on one of the higher shelves, was the bull snake I'd seen weeks earlier. Facing me, with his body looped over and under, the snake was imprisoned in a length of plastic netting. I'd had a persistent broody hen last year, and she'd tried to brood chicks on that shelf more than once, so I'd put up plastic netting as a barrier. I'd meant to take the netting down, but I just wasn't a priority. I'm thinking about putting up more, just for the heck of it.

 

[Sagetown]

Bull Snake: Hello Poco Pollo: Looks like a big Rat Snake. When they get that big it's time to get rid of them.

 

[BetsyOK]

The netting works; even in the rafters! Thank goodness your chickens were OK!