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[lonnyandrinda]

They're incredible! You have a yard full of my "wants" list.

Oh and about the "light brown" egg color. Does this mean I potentially won't be able to tell the difference in SFH eggs and the single comb EEs?

Yes potentially. It will all depend on exactly what brown genes she inherits, when she starts laying.

@ashtree @lonnyandrinda

That's where I get confused. If an Ameraucana is OO, then it should pass on one O and get any number of brown genes to make olive. I suppose if my Ameraucanas aren't OO, but are only Oo, I'd have a problem. Now, to cross one of our single combed Olive Eggers with another Marans, you'd want to look for the pea comb. Right? That's what I understood from research, but much like everything else I find on the internet, I can't find it a second time! I guess time will tell. Btw, my splash is in between on all counts...comb, legs, demeanor.

I'm a little confused by what you said... let me try to rephrase. Pea comb is dominant. If they carry it, it has to show. So crossing your single comb brown laying olive egger with a Marans you can only get single combs. No way to get a pea comb or blue eggs from that combination.

If you misspoke and meant to cross single combed brown laying Olive Egger with AMERAUCANA, then yes you would select for pea combs to get the blue eggs back.

If your Ameraucanas are pure they would be OO. You are right that Oo would be a problem. It would mean they are NOT pure and are easter eggers. Sure fire test: breed to any non blue egg laying breed, raise up 10 pullets, and see how many blue/green/olive layers you get. If ANY do not lay blue/green then your Ameraucana is an Oo Easter Egger. Again, using the pea comb you can USUALLY tell who will inherit the blue egg gene. In the research I've read 99 out of 100 times the blue egg gene is linked to the pea comb. The only way to create a single combed blue egg layer, like the Cream Legbar, was to start with that 1 out of 100 where the blue egg gene got disconnected from the pea comb. Technically the Cream Legbar got their blue egg gene from a mystery "Chilean hen" a single combed blue egg layer brought to the UK from South America in the early 1900s.

I am having to do this test breeding with my Cream Legbars because one of my original birds was impure Oo and I didn't know it until spring 2014 when I bred him to his daughters and their offspring started laying. I don't have the advantage of using pea comb to look for the blue egg gene, I am going completely blind and having to wait until the pullets grow out.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

Excited to see everyone tomorrow at Shawnee! Somebody please remind me where the restaurant is? There are THREE Abuelitas in Shawnee and I went to all three before I found the right one last year...

I promise I am not usually so directionally challenged.

 

[Cjarvis]

This will be at State Hwy 177 and the intersection of 45Th street. It is about 3 miles north of the show barn on Hwy 177.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

This will be at State Hwy 177 and the intersection of 45Th street. It is about 3 miles north of the show barn on Hwy 177.

Thank you! For those that may need it the address is 37304 45th Street, Shawnee, OK

 

[Cjarvis]

I have skipped a lot of posts...hope all are well.

My three MaransXAmeraucana Olive Eggers I kept...

I think the black is female. The other two, I'm afraid, are boys. However, I'm uncertain about the splash. The blue's got three definite rows. Ugh.

Here's my question. Will the MaransXAmeraucana cross definitely produce an Olive Egger, regardless of comb type? I think it will, but I am a little confused on the pea comb/blue egg connection.

They are very different gene set's that control egg color and comb type. The Single Comb is the most recessive, genetically, of all comb types and will only show itself when both parents in the mating carry the genes required for a single comb. They both must pass the gene set to produce the single comb, any combination of comb gene sets that is not pure for the single comb will not produce one.

 

[HeyBigRhondaq]

Yes potentially.  It will all depend on exactly what brown genes she inherits, when she starts laying.


I'm a little confused by what you said... let me try to rephrase.  Pea comb is dominant.  If they carry it, it has to show.  So crossing your single comb brown laying olive egger with a Marans you can only get single combs.  No way to get a pea comb or blue eggs from that combination.

If you misspoke and meant to cross single combed brown laying Olive Egger with AMERAUCANA, then yes you would select for pea combs to get the blue eggs back.

If your Ameraucanas are pure they would be OO.  You are right that Oo would be a problem.  It would mean they are NOT pure and are easter eggers.  Sure fire test: breed to any non blue egg laying breed, raise up 10 pullets, and see how many blue/green/olive layers you get.  If ANY do not lay blue/green then your Ameraucana is an Oo Easter Egger.  Again, using the pea comb you can USUALLY tell who will inherit the blue egg gene.  In the research I've read 99 out of 100 times the blue egg gene is linked to the pea comb.  The only way to create a single combed blue egg layer, like the Cream Legbar, was to start with that 1 out of 100 where the blue egg gene got disconnected from the pea comb.  Technically the Cream Legbar got their blue egg gene from a mystery "Chilean hen" a single combed blue egg layer brought to the UK from South America in the early 1900s.

I am having to do this test breeding with my Cream Legbars because one of my original birds was impure Oo and I didn't know it until spring 2014 when I bred him to his daughters and their offspring started laying.  I don't have the advantage of using pea comb to look for the blue egg gene, I am going completely blind and having to wait until the pullets grow out.

By that token, my Ameraucanas CAN'T be OO and are therefore EEs...an OO parent can't produce a single combed offspring. Ergh!!! That upsets me! @ashtree, if that causes a problem for you, let me know. I'll make it right! If anyone has any other experience with this, please speak up!

My new single combed olive egger combo is going to be Barnevelder/Isbar. I'm curious how that will turn out--feather and egg-wise.

 

[ftpagain]

i have been crossing my fingers so hard hoping that i will make it to the show and lunch tomorrow. I'm in so much pain from the fibroid that started to act out that i am just losing my mind. thank goodness my husband is home for the next few days to help me but he goes to work on tuesday (in Wyoming for 2 weeks) and i have no idea how i am going to make it, take care of everyone and myself. AND i have 90 eggs incubating. worst timing ever!!

but the doctors can't do anything until the baby comes which is not for the next 7 weeks (if he comes on due date). uh oh its a mess.

so if you see a weird looking chubby girl with pink hair crawling around tomorrow don't pay much attention, its just me.

 

[HeyBigRhondaq]

They are very different gene set's that control egg color and comb type. The Single Comb is the most recessive, genetically, of all comb types and will only show itself when both parents in the mating carry the genes required for a single comb. They both must pass the gene set to produce the single comb, any combination of comb gene sets that is not pure for the single comb will not produce one.  

Well, my best hope is that what we're calling single comb isn't really single! I want an olive egger, darn it!

 

[artsyrobin]

i moved the three cochin girls out to a section in the main coop, they are 5 months old and we are having very mild weather the next few weeks, poor things aren't quite sure about it, sprayed the area with oxine and put ivomec drops on them- they have been in the house the whole time- poor little campers are looking at big chickens for the first time. I am slowly changing the flock over to bantam size, easier on the budget, but its sure hard putting them out of the house, like sending your kids to school- the flock is half large, and they seem to tolerate the mini chickens pretty well

 

[artsyrobin]

Quote: now that is scary, we haven't had racoon issues since i trained the dogs to guard the chickens- worth their weight in gold now




every have fun in Shawnee and take tons of pics!!