Online standard of perfection.

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by houndit, May 9, 2009.

  1. houndit

    houndit There is no H or F in Orpington!

    Jul 13, 2008
    Braymer Missouri
    I think if anyone could work on posting an actual online standard of perfection on here that would be a great help. I just last year got enough money to buy a standard of perfection. I messed up and got the 2001 edition. I do not know how this would work out and I know that it would take a lot of time but I think if anyone who has the time and has a 2009 standard of perfection, or maybe even a 2008 and could post it on here I think it would be so much help to people like me. We would of course have to make sure and give credit to the American poultry association so we are not infringing on copyright laws ect. It would be so much help to me, especially if you could post the pictures to. I would like to hear your ideas about this.
  2. Ondra's Seramas

    Ondra's Seramas Drowning in Seramas

    Feb 19, 2009
    North Central WA
    I am not sure if there is a Standard newer than 2001 or 2003. I have the 2001 Standard.
  3. hinkjc

    hinkjc Overrun With Chickens Premium Member

    Jan 11, 2007
    I'm pretty sure it would require far more than "giving credit" to the APA. Even breed clubs have a difficult time getting permission to post information just about their breed. It would likely require APA permission for full disclosure (which I doubt you'd get, since they wouldn't make any money off of your online book and they do off of their printed text).

    I'm pretty sure Ondra is right and they are now working on a new version due for release this year or next I think. They don't put out a version every year.
  4. walkswithdog

    walkswithdog Overrun With Chickens

    Jul 17, 2008
    DC Region
    They're reissued roughly once a decade. They're due out soon. APA is NOT going to go public when they get what they do for the printed edition. Face it.

    My club has an old old 1915 version of our breed standard linked as a pdf on the site. I found it useful as heck, even now. It hasn't changed that much.
  5. TimG

    TimG Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jul 23, 2008
    Scanning and posting the APA Standard of Perfection (or whatever the title of the book is) would not be permitted even if credit were given. However, the APA cannot claim ownership of facts. So, if someone wanted to write a description of what qualities a Rhode Island Red should have and post that description to the web, they could. Even if the description is 100% consistent with the APA description, so long as it is original in format it would be OK.

    Someone who publishes a phone book owns the compilation but not the facts. ESPN owns their web pages, but cannot prevent someone from republishing the standings of the NFL or the batting averages of AL hitters.

    At least that is my non-law-school understanding.
  6. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

    Jan 4, 2009
    Tempe, Arizona
    That is not correct copyright information; or perhaps I should say misleading.

    A defined standard is not a fact. Also, the standard is very specific in the language it used in describing each breed and variety. You could not replicate that detailed information without violating copyright law.

    If I were to write a work, and you copied every detail, but used different words, it would still be plagerism, and illegal.

    That said, one can exerpt pieces of information from any copyrighted work for certain purposes. Copying the description for a particular varity or breed would fit that limitation; copying the entire book, or large portions of it, would not.

    The standards are not expensive unless you choose to purchase the APA colour edition.
  7. houndit

    houndit There is no H or F in Orpington!

    Jul 13, 2008
    Braymer Missouri
    Well shoot. I thought you could not get in trouble if you said they did it.

    NYREDS Overrun With Chickens

    Jan 14, 2008
    Quote:That would make it hard for authors to sell books. By this interpretation you could republish a new novel as long as you cited the author. Doesn't really make sense does it?
  9. TimG

    TimG Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jul 23, 2008
    Quote:I wonder if someone could copy a single breed description and post it here.
  10. chookster77

    chookster77 Out Of The Brooder

    Apr 22, 2009
    While I doubt very seriously that the APA is interested in bringing copyright infringement lawsuits against poultry fanciers who share standards amongst each other (as opposed to, say, re-printing and selling them), I think it is an incredibly helpful thing to have one's very own copy of the APA Standard of Perfection for constant reference. After all, there is so much more pertinent and useful information within the whole text than just a single breed standard.

    I saw an advert in May's Poultry Press where the 2001 revised color SOP is on sale for $48 plus $5 S&H and the 1998 B&W is only $8 plus $2 S&H (US and Canada). If interested, send payment to Pat Horstman, APA Secty-Treas, P.O. Box 306, Burgettstown, PA 15021. e-mail: [email protected]

    Cheers and good luck!

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