Saladin,
Well I do believe we both maybe a little bias. Please understand that I feel you have nice birds, plus, respect and value your opinion; and never once said they were not Shamo!
I provided information as to why, I thought, some of the original Shamo birds imported might have looked different and what has happen to the old US Shamo lines. Again, with out photos of the original imports its hard say, they may look like Thais, Ganoi, etc. But as I mentioned, based on what I was told by those closer to Japanese culture and gamefowl, those were the Shamo most accessible at the time. The other more vertical like the Chu and O Shamo have always been in Japan, it their erect royal station, as supported by old Japanese drawings, paintings and sketches. But initially, as I have been told and read, they where not allowed to leave the country.
Do I think one is better than the other? No, I respect them all for they all have value. I prefer the Shamo that are distinct, in my mind, to Japan and look less like their predecessor the Siam/ Thai fowl. I maybe wrong but are you saying the high stationed birds like Mrs. Keelings, Terramoto’s or Kawasaki’s have no ability???
Some good examples of exceptional high stationed fowl and capable fowl, beside Mrs Keelings, Mrs. Chungs. Terramoto's or Kawasaki's Chu and O Shamo are Mr. Saab's brazilians. They seem, in my eyes, as know one knows for sure, to carry a lot of Shamo or Thai blood with the Spanish common to Brazilians. It also seems he has carefully selected for high vertical stationed too. His fowl appear to carry a high station and are more agile than most Asils. From accounts told to me by friends, it seems these attributes were some of the reasons why they were superior in their day. Matter of fact, to me they look like smaller version of Shamo.
I believe the patient meticulous Japanese breeders knew exactly what they were doing, for their specific venues. I also believe, and evidence shows, those breeders created a big strong upright styled fowl for their venue.
Just my two cents….
A big 3 yr old Shamo breed in Brazil, 7x blue ribbon winner, from Japanese imports. Purchase by my Asil friend Peter. Please notice his very high station.
Well I do believe we both maybe a little bias. Please understand that I feel you have nice birds, plus, respect and value your opinion; and never once said they were not Shamo!
I provided information as to why, I thought, some of the original Shamo birds imported might have looked different and what has happen to the old US Shamo lines. Again, with out photos of the original imports its hard say, they may look like Thais, Ganoi, etc. But as I mentioned, based on what I was told by those closer to Japanese culture and gamefowl, those were the Shamo most accessible at the time. The other more vertical like the Chu and O Shamo have always been in Japan, it their erect royal station, as supported by old Japanese drawings, paintings and sketches. But initially, as I have been told and read, they where not allowed to leave the country.
Do I think one is better than the other? No, I respect them all for they all have value. I prefer the Shamo that are distinct, in my mind, to Japan and look less like their predecessor the Siam/ Thai fowl. I maybe wrong but are you saying the high stationed birds like Mrs. Keelings, Terramoto’s or Kawasaki’s have no ability???
Some good examples of exceptional high stationed fowl and capable fowl, beside Mrs Keelings, Mrs. Chungs. Terramoto's or Kawasaki's Chu and O Shamo are Mr. Saab's brazilians. They seem, in my eyes, as know one knows for sure, to carry a lot of Shamo or Thai blood with the Spanish common to Brazilians. It also seems he has carefully selected for high vertical stationed too. His fowl appear to carry a high station and are more agile than most Asils. From accounts told to me by friends, it seems these attributes were some of the reasons why they were superior in their day. Matter of fact, to me they look like smaller version of Shamo.
I believe the patient meticulous Japanese breeders knew exactly what they were doing, for their specific venues. I also believe, and evidence shows, those breeders created a big strong upright styled fowl for their venue.
Just my two cents….
A big 3 yr old Shamo breed in Brazil, 7x blue ribbon winner, from Japanese imports. Purchase by my Asil friend Peter. Please notice his very high station.
