Orpingtons of Different Standards

[Tuffoldhen]

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No I'm not saying that, no where in my post did I say you could not breed splash to splash in Orpingtons. I do it all the time.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

Splash has now been accepted in the SOP for MGB and Silkie. Perhpas we should work towards Splash being accepted for Orpington LF and Bantam. Would be simple. Just need 5 breeders that have had Splash Orpingtons for 5 years.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

Corrections have been made concerning the English Blue Orpington on page one of this thread.

Please explain to me WHY the imported English/British Orpingtons should not be judged by the British Standard? There is enough difference in type to qualify as a distinct breed. It could still compete in the English Class (LF) against the American Orpington, the Australorp, Sussex, Cornish, Dorking and the Redcap. We now have some genuine imported British Orpingtons. These will be kept pure British and shown as such. When we enter them we will advise the show secretary that these MUST be judged against British Orpingtons only. That will disqualify us from any awards other than BV and BB in British Orpington. We just want to educate and encourage these being shown for what they are. Upon being accepted in the SOP, they may very well beat every English Class bird in the shows. However, they may not. That was a very nice Black Australorp at Crossroads!

 

[galanie]

One question I have about judging to the British Standard is, do we have any judges qualified to do so? Or enough judges? I think it would confuse the issue. One country One standard seems to work best.

 

[lildinkem]

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Why don't we then have a separate breed for hatchery ORPS and EXHIBITION ORPS too? There is enough difference between a hatchery Orp and an EXHIBITION ORP.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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Example: The Serama. A new breed that just recently entered the SOP. The judges had to learn this new stanadrd for the Serama. No different than the British Orpingtons. In 1929 the Black Australian Orpington was accepted in the SOP. But because it was so much different in type etc, it was entered as the Australorp. One country, one standard was fine...until the birds of another standard were imported. For them to be judged by the SOP would disqualify any British Orps shown. If judged by the British Standard, they can win BV and BB. Upon SOP acceptance they can compete for Champion English Class and even Grand Champion of Show.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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Why don't we then have a separate breed for hatchery ORPS and EXHIBITION ORPS too? There is enough difference between a hatchery Orp and an EXHIBITION ORP.

Bill, the hatchery Orps are not bred to any standard. Never have been.

 

[lildinkem]

NEVER within your children's lifetime will there ever be a separate Orp breed that meets the UK standard in the APA. We will be lucky to see Lavs or Chocs ever get accepted by the APA.

 

[RedReiner]

I happen to agree... I think they are now two different types here. the UK and the American type. I would like to see the UK type admitted and the UK standard adopted as the standard to judge them by. its not a question of whether or not an AMERICAN judge is qualified to judge them per the standard, judges learn and follow the American standard so I am pretty sure they can read and learn the UK standard just as easy. What does it take to get a variety allowed for showing and judging? same as the color? Orp breeders should get together and get the splash in there. the UK orpington also. I prefer the UK type. some prefer the American type, thats whats so cool about living in this country, your free to like whatever you want.

ETA: I would like to see both types allowed and shown

 

[RedReiner]

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Why?