Orpingtons of Different Standards

[HallFamilyFarm]

Never say never. I was told years ago Splash would never be an accepted color in the SOP. Now it is in two breeds.

First, the British Orps will have to be shown for awhile as that, British Orpingtons. They will need to meet the UK Standard. Afer a couple of years, an application can be made for acceptance. The Standards Committee will then make a decision on them. It must be proven, as in the Australorps, that they are different. Photos show the difference, as does the birds in person. A name change may be needed. The Partridge Albertan was changed by the Standards Committee to Partridge Chantecler. Perhaps Britorp, Britishorp or Englishorp. One judge used the term Cochington, but that really does not do it justice. It needs to retain its heritage. I think I prefer the term Englishorp.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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Just a simple reminder. Everyone has been nice. Lets stay that way.

 

[justuschickens59]

Jim - I have a question. I'm wondering why you have now apparently changed your mind and have now decided to give people your "okay" for people to have English Orps. For the last year or so, you have proclaimed long and loud, in every venue possible, that people had no business spending their money on English imports. I'm also wondering why you have now decided the term "cochingtons" does not do them justice, as up until now that was your term of choice. I'm honestly not trying to start anything, I just truly am curious as to why the complete 360.

 

[lildinkem]

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Why?

Then you would have to have 2 different SOP's for Rhode Islands, and 2 different SOP's for New Hampshire, 2 different SOP's for Cochins and on and on and on. Face it there is an APA who does not want to have to bow to the European SOP's. We have our own SOP's. IF you like to show in the APA I suggest you get birds that meet the APA. Most here on BYC do not show. Most here like their birds the way they make em. Not to any SOP, and not to the APA. I say most not all.
And IF they haven't added Lavs or Splashes to the Orp APA SOP what makes you think that the 100 or so folks who prefer UK Orps will get bumped to the front of the list to be added to the APA? Just will not happen the way I see it.
Let me also mention that there are so many other breeds not accepted to the APA cause they do not have a breed club supporting them. To have the UKers added you need folks who are willing to show in the APA and have events for accepting them like what the Marans folks have done. I do not see but a handful in the USA willing to show their UK Orps. I certainly did not see any at the Crossroads which would be accepted by the UK SOP. And that is the biggest show of last year.

 

[jeremy]

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X2.

 

[galanie]

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Example: The Serama. A new breed that just recently entered the SOP. The judges had to learn this new stanadrd for the Serama. No different than the British Orpingtons. In 1929 the Black Australian Orpington was accepted in the SOP. But because it was so much different in type etc, it was entered as the Australorp. One country, one standard was fine...until the birds of another standard were imported. For them to be judged by the SOP would disqualify any British Orps shown. If judged by the British Standard, they can win BV and BB. Upon SOP acceptance they can compete for Champion English Class and even Grand Champion of Show.

In that case, they would no longer be "English SOP Orpingtons" but a different breed, as in the example of the Australorp. Maybe Englingtons or something heh.

 

[HenThymes]

I have yet to see ANY orpingtons shown in the US look like the pictures in your first post. Don't think even most of the ones being Imported at this time are of that quality (obvious UK Exhibition Standard), from what I see most of the Imports are closer to the American standards than what is shown on your first post and if they are not going to look like that no point in showing them to the British standard then is there!

 

[rebel yell]

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X2.

I wouldnt mind knowing the reason for that to.

 

[RedReiner]

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Why?

Then you would have to have 2 different SOP's for Rhode Islands, and 2 different SOP's for New Hampshire, 2 different SOP's for Cochins and on and on and on. Face it there is an APA who does not want to have to bow to the European SOP's. We have our own SOP's. IF you like to show in the APA I suggest you get birds that meet the APA. Most here on BYC do not show. Most here like their birds the way they make em. Not to any SOP, and not to the APA. I say most not all.
And IF they haven't added Lavs or Splashes to the Orp APA SOP what makes you think that the 100 or so folks who prefer UK Orps will get bumped to the front of the list to be added to the APA? Just will not happen the way I see it.
Let me also mention that there are so many other breeds not accepted to the APA cause they do not have a breed club supporting them. To have the UKers added you need folks who are willing to show in the APA and have events for accepting them like what the Marans folks have done. I do not see but a handful in the USA willing to show their UK Orps. I certainly did not see any at the Crossroads which would be accepted by the UK SOP. And that is the biggest show of last year.

huh, I do show mine, won with one once, will show more of them in March. nope, not a big time breeder or show person but I enjoy them and will take them to shows. not an expert on how things work with APA. that is why I asked WHY? why would the APA be "bowing" to the Euro sop? its not allowed to accept a bird into the APA from any other country and leave them the way they originated? it HAS to be changed to fit the american version? I dont understand that. is it law? why do the APA not want "their" birds they way they made them? APA is so exclusive only they can make a bird the right way ? Is that what APA states or just an opinion? Most here on BYC do not show, very true, but we are in the breeds genetics and showing forum here, for people who do show and breed. should we not discuss showing our birds here? I thought that was what this forum was for. I think being able to discuss how to get them accepted and in the shows is a start. I think this discussion never gets to go anywhere because there are some who want to fight and argue about it. my thought, if a person does not plan to have these birds, breed them or show them, they dont have a dog in the fight and should refrain from commenting, its ok to like or not like them, but the arguing should be left off.
its my understanding that splash and lav can be accepted, it just takes work and participation from breeders to breed them and exhibit them for so many years. the APA is not unwilling to accept them if they are proven by the breeders right?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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There are already many breeds; he is simply wanting to ADD a breed that is currently unrecognised. Much in the same way that seramas or marans have been shown, although both are now recognuised (but only in this past year). The only confusing factor is the name, and as the breed entered is "British Orpington" and the British standard is provided to the show staff and judges (preferably ahead of time) it seems reasonable. If there are sufficient breeders and time working with the bird here in the US, then submitting a copy of the standard to the APA forfuture recognition also seems appropriate.