Partridge Silkies - Nothing else

[BuckNBark Farm]

Yes, blue partridge is AOV. However, I have a couple of friends that showed blue partridge just as partridge. They did not get DQ'd and actually placed in the partridge category if memory serves. No, the dark head does not DQ or count off.

Thanks!

 

[Fur N Feathers]

Thanks!

You are welcome. I must note my friends blue partridges were dark blue. The light blue might not fly, I don't know.

 

[ChickNmamma]

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If the SOP calls for "Head: Deep Reddish Bay" on the females and the head is black - I would guess that would be one point off for color - no? The head is supposed to be the same colors as the rest of the body and everything is supposed to be Deep Reddish Bay penciled in Black where appropriate. Of course it is possible that the Partridge color is so off on Silkies they don't even look for the SOP color any more... There are only 21 points for feather color - so if you don't have the right color you can take all those off - and still judge the bird based on proper shape and stance and the other important colors (ears/wattles/comb/eyes/legs etc).

I still laugh when I read this part in the SOP under the color for Partridge Females:"NOTE: pencilings in all Partridge varieties should be distinct in sharp contrast to the ground color, be regular in shape, uniform in width, and conform to the contour of the feather.
Each feather in back, breast, body, wing bows and thighs should have three or more pencilings."

That isn't going to happen in Silkied feathers, at least not that you can see it.

I suspect the lighter Blue Partridge would be removed to its appropriate categories (AOV) or DQd in a larger sanctioned show where the judges are paying more attention - or if they have Silkies themselves. In a regular or smaller show most judges do not consider Silkies to be Chickens so they are the ugly step children and mostly ignored in favor of the other birds. There were no Silkies at my local fair - not even one - so I probably could have won BV in the Silkie division with my bad quality Blue hatchery bird

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Hey you guys remember my little Greenhead pink wings has a white chest, belly and petticoat also. She has color across her back, though not dark (kind of a peachy pink) other than her collar. Do you think she is quail pattern?



More questions, do these girls look like they were possibly diluted with lavender since their body color is so light? Does one lavender gene always dilute a base color or stay hidden - if it doesn't, how do you use lavender to dilute the colors? Will I be able to breed a lavender rooster with a partridge hen and have lavender partridge babies making them split to lavender, or will I have to breed those babies back to the rooster and their babies will be lavender partridge? And if I do that I would end up with 25% lavender babies also since they are lavender splits?

Easiest question to answer is that levender has absolutely no effect unless present in two copies. Heterozygous lavender (split) is hidden--you only know it is present because you know that a parent was pure for lav.

I would guess that the bird is pure for lav since both colours are so dilute,

Lavender bred to partridge will produce split offspring, but they will also (likely) lose some of the genes that make up partridge. So yes, you would have to breed back to a partridgeto get lavender partridge offspring. Hopefully that will also breed back in any missing partridge genes. Split to pure should be 50/50. Split to split could give 25/50/25

Doesn't look quail patterned to me...

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Yes, blue partridge is AOV. However, I have a couple of friends that showed blue partridge just as partridge. They did not get DQ'd and actually placed in the partridge category if memory serves. No, the dark head does not DQ or count off.

I had a blue partridge that I entered as such, and got chewed out by the judges that I hadn't entered her as plain partridge--that she would have taken BB. So next show I entered her as partridge and she was DQed for being the wrong colour. I honestly think it really depends on how dark the blue is...can or is it easily mistaken as black?

From what I have seen in judging, the COLOUR in partridge is not looked at nearly enough in judging. Yes, type comes first, but when a cockerel with absolutely no black in its breast takes the variety, something is wrong. He isn't partridge if his breast isn't largely black.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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If the SOP calls for "Head: Deep Reddish Bay" on the females and the head is black - I would guess that would be one point off for color - no? The head is supposed to be the same colors as the rest of the body and everything is supposed to be Deep Reddish Bay penciled in Black where appropriate. Of course it is possible that the Partridge color is so off on Silkies they don't even look for the SOP color any more... There are only 21 points for feather color - so if you don't have the right color you can take all those off - and still judge the bird based on proper shape and stance and the other important colors (ears/wattles/comb/eyes/legs etc).

I still laugh when I read this part in the SOP under the color for Partridge Females:"NOTE: pencilings in all Partridge varieties should be distinct in sharp contrast to the ground color, be regular in shape, uniform in width, and conform to the contour of the feather.
Each feather in back, breast, body, wing bows and thighs should have three or more pencilings."

That isn't going to happen in Silkied feathers, at least not that you can see it.

I suspect the lighter Blue Partridge would be removed to its appropriate categories (AOV) or DQd in a larger sanctioned show where the judges are paying more attention - or if they have Silkies themselves. In a regular or smaller show most judges do not consider Silkies to be Chickens so they are the ugly step children and mostly ignored in favor of the other birds. There were no Silkies at my local fair - not even one - so I probably could have won BV in the Silkie division with my bad quality Blue hatchery bird

And yet silkies are one of the oldest breeds in the world, and among the breeds recognized during the APA's fist year. A few years ago I had a non-silkie breeder ask me how new silkies were, and what had been crossed to make them.

 

[BuckNBark Farm]

And yet silkies are one of the oldest breeds in the world, and among the breeds recognized during the APA's fist year. A few years ago I had a non-silkie breeder ask me how new silkies were, and what had been crossed to make them.

As they said way back when first discovered- they were crossed with rabbits.

 

[ChickNmamma]

Quote: I hope you answered that they were used in China by the Emperors to brood their pheasants, and the records of their antecedents have been kept as a national treasure and were not released?

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I think when people ask about how well they do in the cold we should tell them they have a fur coat, hat and scarf (bearded) and they do great. I suspect the Silkied feathers AND the feathered feet help in snow. (maybe they were crossed with snowshoe rabbits?).. and mine sure liked running around in it while the rest of the birds were sitting in the coop looking out and saying "No Way am I going out THERE!"

 

[emvickrey]

This is a frizzled silkie chick. It's mostly dark in color but does have some buff coloring. I'm sure this is partridge but is there another name for the color. It's not a blue partridge. It's underside is mostly black along with it's crest. The buff color is mostly at the tips around it's saddle and breast fethers. The pic makes it look lighter than it really is. Also any guesses on the sex? I'm guessing cockerel. It has a bump of a comb. It hatched around the beginning of sept.

 

[ChickNmamma]

This is a frizzled silkie chick. It's mostly dark in color but does have some buff coloring. I'm sure this is partridge but is there another name for the color. It's not a blue partridge. It's underside is mostly black along with it's crest. The buff color is mostly at the tips around it's saddle and breast fethers. The pic makes it look lighter than it really is. Also any guesses on the sex? I'm guessing cockerel. It has a bump of a comb. It hatched around the beginning of sept.

I would wait and see what the adult feathering comes in like. They change so much between that stage and the adult stage when their genetics are mixed. Check its wings - Partridge must have barring on the wings. If they are all one color or are not barred then it may be a Black with leakage.