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[Peafowlssssssss]

Then I do not think they are BSSP, they would be BS Pied WE. I do not think the BS changes the rules for SP. We should ask @connerhills , @AugeredIn , or @Arbor they have more experience than either of us.

If i remember right Arbor or Augeredln saw my opal bssp hens and said its silver pied, this is one of my hens:


Its from Leggs farm.

Also look at this purple bssp hen from Texas peafowl farm, it only had few white feathers:
http://www.texaspeafowl.com/images/pbksi036.jpg

 

[DylansMom]

If i remember right Arbor or Augeredln saw my opal bssp hens and said its silver pied, this is one of my hens:


Its from Leggs farm.

Also look at this purple bssp hen from Texas peafowl farm, it only had few white feathers:
http://www.texaspeafowl.com/images/pbksi036.jpg

I would never in a million years consider that Purple BS hen a SP. This may be one of those things that has no clear definition. When looking at Legg's Peafowl history of SP it clearly states that a SP is a White Bird with 10-20% color. I guess if it is a BS Pied or BS dark Pied out of BSSP parents, people are considering it a SP. But I still wouldn't.

JMO though.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

I would never in a million years consider that Purple BS hen a SP. This may be one of those things that has no clear definition. When looking at Legg's Peafowl history of SP it clearly states that a SP is a White Bird with 10-20% color. I guess if it is a BS Pied or BS dark Pied out of BSSP parents, people are considering it a SP. But I still wouldn't.

JMO though.

Yes its true that they need to be at least 80% white to be silver pied, but with black shoulder silver pied hens i believe its different, maybe the black shoulder pattern hides some of the white? I don't know.
Also i have visited many breeders here and saw many black shoulder sp hens, but none were 90% white.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

I've hatched very few dark pieds from my bssp breeders. I've hatched more dark pieds from Thang. Dylansmom,,my purple bssp breeder came from Brad Legg. I guess a more correct name for his color and pattern would be a purple bs pied,,he cannot be both silver and purple.

 

[DylansMom]

I've hatched very few dark pieds from my bssp breeders. I've hatched more dark pieds from Thang. Dylansmom,,my purple bssp breeder came from Brad Legg. I guess a more correct name for his color and pattern would be a purple bs pied,,he cannot be both silver and purple.

Okay now you have me thoroughly confused. Why can he not be both Silver(pattern) and Purple(sex-linked color). I've seen pictures of birds that people stated were Purple SP and they appeared to be that.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Silver is a color,not a pattern,yes??? I posted pics of Phenician,my purple bssp? male in the Show off your Peas thread a few days ago but his neck has the purple tint when in bright sunshine but I will need to look close at the feathers close to the bottom of his train,if they are silver in color. If they are indeed silver,and his neck has the purple tint (which I know it is) it would seem two colors on a bird would constitute naming it with both colors.

 

[DylansMom]

Silver is a color,not a pattern,yes??? I posted pics of Phenician,my purple bssp? male in the Show off your Peas thread a few days ago but his neck has the purple tint when in bright sunshine but I will need to look close at the feathers close to the bottom of his train,if they are silver in color. If they are indeed silver,and his neck has the purple tint (which I know it is) it would seem two colors on a bird would constitute naming it with both colors.

My understanding is that Silver Pied is a Pattern. Barred wing(wild type), Black Shoulder, Pied, Silver Pied, and White Eye are the 5 pattern mutations aren't they?

 

[DylansMom]

My understanding is that Silver Pied is a Pattern. Barred wing(wild type), Black Shoulder, Pied, Silver Pied, and White Eye are the 5 pattern mutations aren't they?

Can anyone confirm this?

Purple Silver Pied appears to be included in the UPA photo gallery, so I assume it is a recognized variety.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

Can anyone confirm this?

Purple Silver Pied appears to be included in the UPA photo gallery, so I assume it is a recognized variety.

I didn't understand what @frenchblackcopper means exactly, if he means that silver pied is a color and not a pattern I could understand why, because any silver pied bird need to show the silver color to be silver pied, so it becomes a color that could show on any of the 13 peafowl colors (if i'm counting them right), but of course there is purple silver pied birds and i do have a 2 years old purple sp male.

But also if silver pied was a pattern then why we can't have birds split to that pattern? If we a have an offspring out of male silver pied x india hen, then this bird will not be split silver pied, he would be either split white or pied, and will also carry single w/e gene.

 

[AugeredIn]

Then I do not think they are BSSP, they would be BS Pied WE. I do not think the BS changes the rules for SP. We should ask @connerhills , @AugeredIn , or @Arbor they have more experience than either of us.

I agree. And we should all remember that there is a "silver pied" gene influence. What makes a silver pied bird is not the amount of white on a bird. What makes the large amount of white is the silver pied gene. I don't think we know exactly where the "silver pied" gene is but I am convinced it exists at this point.