Peafowl Worming

[DylansMom]

Questions for you... How much do you put in a gallon and how much of that gallon do you think a large male drinks?

-Kathy

So you mix 7ml to 1gal of safeguard? Have you had any issues? If not, I'm changing my quantities. Let me know and Thanks Mom,

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Gerald Barker

Okay, so what I do is withhold all water for 24 hours, then I use an empty 1 gallon water jug and fill it about 1/3 with water, I then add 7ml/cc of safeguard and shake it well, then add water until almost full and shake again. This is what I put in their water bucket, generally they will take a big long drink and walk away, but they will come back and drink again several times. I used to use less but if it is safe to give 1ml/cc safeguard per 4lbs, that is approx. 2.5 ml/cc for the average hen and 3ml/cc for the average cock orally for 5 days in a row, then they are getting 12.5 -15ml/cc over 5 days, 7ml/cc is less than that, so I figure there is no way I am going to OD them. I have no doubt that this is not ridding them completely of all worms, but they are perfectly capable of handling a certain "wormlode" without falling ill from them(according to avian vet). If a secondary health issue or disease arises it may be a different story and that is why I advocate watching them very closely to make sure they are acting healthy. I usually do not put all of the treated water in the bucket at once, if there is some left in the bucket I will use a bristle brush to stir it up and add some more from the gallon jug twice a day, shaking it well each time. Never had any issues with any of my birds using this amount. I know they can taste it though, and that is why I withhold water first, need them to be good and thirsty. If the weather is warm they will drink most of a gallon over 5 days, in cool weather not so much.

I've been known to put an even higher amount 10ml/cc in a gal. when it is cooler.

 

[KsKingBee]

Since I feed a wet mash my birds hardly drink any water at all. So I put the correct oral dosing amount in the feed. The only caveat is now I am doing my fecal exams I will not be treating when not necessary.

 

[casportpony]

I did the math on the 3 ml per gallon and broke it down to how much medication they would get if they drink 5% or 10% of their weight per day. So how much does a huge male India Blue drink in one day? Does he drink 100 ml, 300 ml or 600 ml?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Two studies for everyone to read:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9269125
Anthelmintic efficacy of ivermectin against Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. in pheasant.

Lamka J1, Svobodová V, Slézková J.
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Abstract

Ivermectin (IVM) was perorally administered in dosage schemes 1 x 0.8 mg/kg of body weight (b.w.), 1 x 1.6 mg/kg h.w., 3 x 0.8 mg/kg b.w., and 3 x 1.6 mg/kg b.w. to pheasants infected by Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. The samples of faeces were coprologically examined. The clinical state of pheasant was controlled. In all of the used therapeutical schemes the helminthostatic or partially helminthocide effect against adults of worms was reached. The clinical signs of helmithoses were reduced only. IVM in tested doses is not possible to recommend as an effective drug of pheasant syngamosis and capillariosis.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2816174
Ivermectin as a bird anthelmintic--trials with naturally infected domestic fowl.

Oksanen A, Nikander S.
Abstract

To evaluate the use of ivermectin as a bird anthelmintic, 29 White Leghorn hens naturally infected with Ascaridia spp., Heterakis spp. and Capillaria spp. were treated with 0.2, 2 or 6 mg/kg intramuscularly or 0.2 or 0.8 mg/kg orally. Faecal samples were collected before treatment and at autopsy, 2, 6, or 16 days after treatment, when the intestines were also examined for helminths. None of the treatments gave satisfactory anthelmintic results.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6750887

Efficacy of fenbendazole against helminth parasites of poultry in Uganda.

Ssenyonga GS.
Abstract

Fenbendazole 4% (Panacur, Hoechst) administered in feed was used to treat chickens infected with Ascaridia galli, Heterakis gallinarum and Railletina spp. It was also used to treat Syngamus trachea in broiler birds. There was a marked drop in helminth egg counts in the faeces on the second day of treatment and the faeces became negative by the seventh day after the last treatment. Post-mortem examination 15 to 21 days later showed that the drug was 100% effective against Ascaridia galli and Heterakis gallinarum at 10 mg/kg. However, for complete removal of Railletina spp. 15 mg/kg was required. Similarly 20 mg/kg fenbendazole was effective against Syngamus trachea. It was concluded that fenbendazole is suitable for the treatment of the important intestinal and tracheal worms of poultry, a dose of 15 to 20 mg/kg for 3 consecutive days being recommended for use under field conditions.


Note that capillary worms are *not* mentioned here.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Here's the math...

Safeguard at 3.5 ml per gallon mediates your water to 0.09 mg per one ml, so if your largest peacock (6kg) drinks 5% of his weight per day, that's 300 ml of water. That 300 ml (10 ounces) has 27 mg, which is the same as giving him 0.27 ml orally, which I think works out to about 4.5 mg/kg.

Dylansmom does 7 ml per gallon, so if her largest bird drinks 300 ml per day, that's like giving him 0.54 ml orally, which is about 9 mg/kg.

Does that make sense?

-Kathy

 

[DylansMom]

Here's the math...

Safeguard at 3.5 ml per gallon mediates your water to 0.09 mg per one ml, so if your largest peacock (6kg) drinks 5% of his weight per day, that's 300 ml of water. That 300 ml (10 ounces) has 27 mg, which is the same as giving him 0.27 ml orally, which I think works out to about 4.5 mg/kg.

Dylansmom does 7 ml per gallon, so if her largest bird drinks 300 ml per day, that's like giving him 0.54 ml orally, which is about 9 mg/kg.

Does that make sense?

-Kathy

So I suppose I could pretty much double my 7 ml, to 14ml and still not worry about overdoing it?

 

[casportpony]

Quote: I think you could more than double it *very* safely. Guess I should do some more math based off of what chickens drink. One book I read said that non laying adult chickens drink 5%, hens actively laying drink 13% and growing ones drink 18-20%. IMO, as long as they don't get much more than 50 mg/kg (22.7 mg per pound) you're okay.

-Kathy

 

[KsKingBee]

We took our new dog to the vet today for his first round of shots. While we were there I had a discussion about diluting Safeguard in water as is the internet advice we find everywhere. She said that if people continue to dilute the safeguard down to ineffective levels, and by that she means less than the amounts veterinary medicine prescribes, (50mg/kg), it will become virtually useless as the resistance builds up in the worms we are trying to kill.

We also discussed Ivermec, her opinion is that Ivermec is not an effective wormer and that it is just about useless in cattle because of the resistance that is now being seen.

 

[Birdrain92]

We took our new dog to the vet today for his first round of shots. While we were there I had a discussion about diluting Safeguard in water as is the internet advice we find everywhere. She said that if people continue to dilute the safeguard down to ineffective levels, and by that she means less than the amounts veterinary medicine prescribes, (50mg/kg), it will become virtually useless as the resistance builds up in the worms we are trying to kill.

We also discussed Ivermec, her opinion is that Ivermec is not an effective wormer and that it is just about useless in cattle because of the resistance that is now being seen.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger has a lot of truth to it. If it's not a lethal dose it will only make them become stronger.