peahens laying in mid november??

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Chickie'sMoma :

John, another thought about using your koi culls to feed your peas. what do you give the fish for their feed. most koi food i've seen has some form of soy in them. if you decide to not use anything with soy for your peas you might want to switch over the koi food to something that doesn't contain that. not sure if this could also affect the longevity of your birds but it might be worth researching.

would the higher amounts of ammonia that the koi produce also affect them? i know a few breeders/owners of reptiles in my area will not feed their 'pets' goldfish because of this.

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[Frosty]

Chickie'sMoma :

the genetic mods to the plants have allowed them to resist the glysophates used in the Round-Up. though the chemicals used in Round-Up actually cause certain nutrients in the soil to be depleted or pushed away from the area Round-Up was sprayed and this causes less weeds to grow near the area that the plant you want to grow that is GM. those weeds would normally feed off certain nutrients found in the soil like any plant should. but, since the Round-Up forces those nutrients away from an area the weeds are less likely to grow. the down fall is that those nutrients that the GM plant should also be feeding on are not there so they make the resulting plant and it's fruit less nutritious in its chemical makeup even though it looks like it grew normally. many weeds are becoming resistant now and other herbicides are starting to be used with the Round-up.

but this info is really meant for another forum. you might want to check on www.theeasygarden.com they are the sister site to BYC but focus on gardening and farming of the land.

I wasn't trying to get into how Round Up works or any of that, I was just curious if it was the genetic modifications or the Round Up itself that is being objected to... Trust me, I am not a fan of the stuff. But there is also Round Up ready corn and a lot of small grains are sprayed with Round Up prior to harvest to get the field to dry down evenly for harvest. I was wondering why soy is the only crop being mentioned here.

I moved my peas in with the chickens for the winter (didn't get my pea building up as planned), it will be interesting to see if my hen starts laying because of the lights going... I really hope not. If she does, what kind of effect will that have on laying in the spring?​

 

[deerman]

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I wasn't trying to get into how Round Up works or any of that, I was just curious if it was the genetic modifications or the Round Up itself that is being objected to... Trust me, I am not a fan of the stuff. But there is also Round Up ready corn and a lot of small grains are sprayed with Round Up prior to harvest to get the field to dry down evenly for harvest. I was wondering why soy is the only crop being mentioned here.

I moved my peas in with the chickens for the winter (didn't get my pea building up as planned), it will be interesting to see if my hen starts laying because of the lights going... I really hope not. If she does, what kind of effect will that have on laying in the spring?

If you give them longer daylight like 15 hrs ........yes they will lay, the males will not be fertile, also more likely the males will drop there train during the breeding season, so not breeding at their normal breeding season.

Have had member on here asking why their peacock are droping their train in early spring.....found out ,they had been keeping them in a barn with lights on.

 

[johnskoi]

Chickie'sMoma :

John, another thought about using your koi culls to feed your peas. what do you give the fish for their feed. most koi food i've seen has some form of soy in them. if you decide to not use anything with soy for your peas you might want to switch over the koi food to something that doesn't contain that. not sure if this could also affect the longevity of your birds but it might be worth researching.

would the higher amounts of ammonia that the koi produce also affect them? i know a few breeders/owners of reptiles in my area will not feed their 'pets' goldfish because of this.

over the years , with every new shipment of food, i check the label for its ingredients (not that i truly trust what's listed since i found out with pet feeds, they don't even have to list the ingredients in descending/% order) .. in the back of my mind i always just thought soy was agood thing .......(prolly shouldn't even go there) .. but yes, soy is listed as the 2nd ingredient....not looking into going into pea raising for the money -- i honestly feel that anybody who owns them responsibly knows that it's a loss -- with me, it's more of an obsession -- i've had 'em for years (15+), but this past winter they(one chick in particular) did more for me than any therapist ever could've................

.. i wanna do RIGHT by my birds .. the 11 older ones will be leaving soon for a better home -- a 1/4 enclosure that they more than deserve :yes:... if it weren't for the raccoons and feral cats (both of which i also enjoy), my peas would've ben free-reanging long ago...

and yes, koi produce obscene amounts of ammonia ... my filtration's impeccable ( 0-.25ppm ammonia) ---- i wouldn't hesitate to eat these fish myself if carp didn't just plain suck

... with the turds i've seen these little peas run around with hanging out of their mouths, i doubt an ammonia laden fish would have an adverse affect anyway

... and feeder goldfish for the most part are raised in deplorable conditions -- koi ain't that tough

Chickie'sMoma -- i truly appreciate the concern - you just asked some questions that i was capable of offerig feedback on

..................i have a tendency to babble -- good thing i'm a slow typer​

 

[johnskoi]

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I wasn't trying to get into how Round Up works or any of that, I was just curious if it was the genetic modifications or the Round Up itself that is being objected to... Trust me, I am not a fan of the stuff. But there is also Round Up ready corn and a lot of small grains are sprayed with Round Up prior to harvest to get the field to dry down evenly for harvest. I was wondering why soy is the only crop being mentioned here.

I moved my peas in with the chickens for the winter (didn't get my pea building up as planned), it will be interesting to see if my hen starts laying because of the lights going... I really hope not. If she does, what kind of effect will that have on laying in the spring?

If you give them longer daylight like 15 hrs ........yes they will lay, the males will not be fertile, also more likely the males will drop there train during the breeding season, so not breeding at their normal breeding season.

Have had member on here asking why their peacock are droping their train in early spring.....found out ,they had been keeping them in a barn with lights on.

for the past month or so,they've had 'light' for 24/7.... did last year as well, but no eggs ... MORE light this year though

....all but the youngst 6 were perching tonight ..if it keeps up, i'll start eliminating lights/heat.... as long as they've got someone to cuddle with...