PeanelliPea is not feeling well

I wonder why some folks never have a problem with this ? This needs to be figured out and perhaps we can find a way to stop this , just wondering out loud.

Folks are told to keep the wee peas off the ground for the first 4 months and keep them on medicated feed and still some get sick no matter what they do, it is just heart breaking
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I put my babies in a ground brooder at 2 days of age and turn them loose as soon as the last ones are big enough so a snake does not eat them, and they do great. The only thing i am vigil about is keeping them wormed and that will not prevent or cure coccidia

i have all kinds of migratory birds here plus the ones that live here all the time and have never had a problem with any animal getting cocci and i have lived here over 30 years.

I guess until we figure this out i will not be introducing any more peas to my flock for fear of bringing the pea strain of this coccidia to my existing birds,

I got what i need to produce my own silvers just need some years to come and go but i sure am thinking hard about some pure greens I believe I have enough money set aside from my bird sales to by a couple pairs or a trio
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I am just scared about this coccia stuff when it come to such expensive birds
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I think exposure is key. In that 30 years have you had any of your bird's poo screened for cocci? I would bet you that if you sent off a fecal from any of your birds and asked them to screen for cocci they would find it. If my understanding is correct, it is normal for them to have a manageable amount of cocci in their systems, they will not be sickened by it unless they become overloaded for some reason. Back before I understood cocci my hens would hatch out 4 or 5 chicks and I would inevitably lose 1 or 2 of them around 1-2 months of age. I would treat with duramycin in the water because I had no idea what else to do. I think if they had been incubator hatched chicks I would have lost them all. The hen hatched ones usually have exposure at hatch, so they start to build up the resistance immediately, the ones we brood in wire pens have zero exposure so when they are exposed it is like a shock to the system, any other little bug that may be going around and they are done for. I really think it takes more than just the cocci, when hit with 2 problems at once they can't fight both and the cocci becomes overloaded and starts to damage the intestine, causing pain, bleeding and a loss of appetite and energy. Your babies are 2 days when they go in the ground brooder, which would be their first exposure, right? Also are you feeding the medicated chick starter, because that is what the meds in it do, they knock down the cocci load until the chick can build up the tolerance. I have it here, I know I do, but I lost no babies to it this year, because I know I have it here. It is, in my opinion very manageable and having cocci in my soil has not hurt my birds in the long term, just ask my 20 year old hens.
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If you ask me it is nowhere near as scary as Black Head.
 
I wonder why some folks never have a problem with this ? This needs to be figured out and perhaps we can find a way to stop this , just wondering out loud.

Folks are told to keep the wee peas off the ground for the first 4 months and keep them on medicated feed and still some get sick no matter what they do, it is just heart breaking
hit.gif


I put my babies in a ground brooder at 2 days of age and turn them loose as soon as the last ones are big enough so a snake does not eat them, and they do great. The only thing i am vigil about is keeping them wormed and that will not prevent or cure coccidia

i have all kinds of migratory birds here plus the ones that live here all the time and have never had a problem with any animal getting cocci and i have lived here over 30 years.

I guess until we figure this out i will not be introducing any more peas to my flock for fear of bringing the pea strain of this coccidia to my existing birds,

I got what i need to produce my own silvers just need some years to come and go but i sure am thinking hard about some pure greens I believe I have enough money set aside from my bird sales to by a couple pairs or a trio
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I am just scared about this coccia stuff when it come to such expensive birds
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Maybe because the health of your chicks parents is better than most of us since they are free ranged, so their chicks will do better?!

Btw, are you thinking of free ranging green peafowl?
 
I think exposure is key. In that 30 years have you had any of your bird's poo screened for cocci? I would bet you that if you sent off a fecal from any of your birds and asked them to screen for cocci they would find it. If my understanding is correct, it is normal for them to have a manageable amount of cocci in their systems, they will not be sickened by it unless they become overloaded for some reason. Back before I understood cocci my hens would hatch out 4 or 5 chicks and I would inevitably lose 1 or 2 of them around 1-2 months of age. I would treat with duramycin in the water because I had no idea what else to do. I think if they had been incubator hatched chicks I would have lost them all. The hen hatched ones usually have exposure at hatch, so they start to build up the resistance immediately, the ones we brood in wire pens have zero exposure so when they are exposed it is like a shock to the system, any other little bug that may be going around and they are done for. I really think it takes more than just the cocci, when hit with 2 problems at once they can't fight both and the cocci becomes overloaded and starts to damage the intestine, causing pain, bleeding and a loss of appetite and energy. Your babies are 2 days when they go in the ground brooder, which would be their first exposure, right? Also are you feeding the medicated chick starter, because that is what the meds in it do, they knock down the cocci load until the chick can build up the tolerance. I have it here, I know I do, but I lost no babies to it this year, because I know I have it here. It is, in my opinion very manageable and having cocci in my soil has not hurt my birds in the long term, just ask my 20 year old hens.
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If you ask me it is nowhere near as scary as Black Head.
Never had any kind of outbreaks here with any kind of chick except a few cases of fowl pox so never had a need to have their poo tested, chicken chicks hatch here all the time even during the winter if i do not find the nest and pull the eggs i never buy medicated feed for them either and they all grow up just fine
I think you might be right about the immunity thing, my babies are exposed from 2 day of age but i do not feed medicated feed, i figured if they got sick i would have to treat them anyhow and i feed so many other things that they would never get enough meds from a bag of feed so why bother
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Maybe because the health of your chicks parents is better than most of us since they are free ranged, so their chicks will do better?!

Btw, are you thinking of free ranging green peafowl?
I do not know that about the free range birds being more healthy but they do eat a wide variety of things including seeds and berries that are suppose to be toxic with no ill effects.

I have absolutely no intention free ranging any greens and less i get a bunch going and i select a couple babies as pets then i will only range when there was no breeding going on because i do not want to raise spaldings in my blue lines, i still have a couple low percentage peacocks i am looking to sell and will be penning them up this season if i see thy have any hens getting sweet on them
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Please please guys, order some oregano oil to have on hand. I have had pea look like this and it was able to save them. Sometime a last ditch is al you have.
So so sorry for your loss,
Such a pretty baby.
 

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